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And a small enough government is called Somalia, try it.
Somalia has a very tyrannical ruling class that stomps on freedom. Educate yourself before commenting.
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale
In neither of my jobs do I make anything close to minimum wage. Simply I do know people near this level. I know how crappy their lives are. I sympathize with them since they are at least trying to make their own way unlike professional couch potatoes.
It's not about your wages. It's about you stealing money from a private business in order to pay someone what YOU think is the correct wage for that job. It's not your call and it never should be.
This isn't true. Companies only hire when there is work that they need someone to do. They aren't going to hire extra people because the wages are lower. What are they going to do, have some people standing around idle and say "That's ok, we are paying them lower so we just hired more of them, although we still have the same amount of work we had before."
This isn't true. Companies only hire when there is work that they need someone to do. They aren't going to hire extra people because the wages are lower. What are they going to do, have some people standing around idle and say "That's ok, we are paying them lower so we just hired more of them, although we still have the same amount of work we had before."
100% correct. Also, what good are more jobs if the people who work them have to collect food stamps?
I do like the fact that the conservatives in this thread aren't pretending to care about the working man anymore.
Yeah, because everyone born in this country automatically has the intellect and ability to get a better-paying job. Sheesh.
I always wonder what planet righties live on where even the lowest-IQ individual gets a great job earning enough to pay for housing and food, no matter where they live. It must be lovely.
"According to a new report from the United States General Accountability Office (GAO), the 19 percent decline in employment in the workforce that American Samoa has experienced since 2008 was in large part the result of imposing minimum hourly wages across various industries. The island’s primary industry is tuna fish canning, with major employers Chicken of the Sea closing and Starkist announcing huge layoffs. In 2008, the number of workers in the canneries was slightly more than 19,000 but has since fallen to 15,400.
Imagine the impact of this kind of job loss on an island with a total population of just over 67,000 people. At the same time, according to the GAO, the value of canned tuna fell from almost $600 million at the end of 2008 to $312 million by the beginning of 2010. What is even more astonishing is that, despite minimum wage laws, earning overall for American Samoans has fallen. “For the period from 2006 to 2009, average inflation-adjusted earnings fell by 11 percent. This resulted from a rise in average annual earnings of about 5 percent while local prices rose by about 18 percent,” the GAO report stated. Another federally mandated minimum wage increase is scheduled to go into effect for the cannery industry in September 2012, raising the minimum to $5.26 an hour."
Less tuna boats are coming to these places. And they weren't empty when they arrived. They brought goods to these places so now there is a lowered supply.
No one on this thread but you. I noticed because I'm paying such close attention to this thread about minimum wage (and minimum wage only). You want to talk about giving people "everything they want"? Start a different thread.
Think much? Having a minimum wage is an EXAMPLE of government giving you everything you want. If you can't understand the context of a simple statement stay out of the discussion.
"According to a new report from the United States General Accountability Office (GAO), the 19 percent decline in employment in the workforce that American Samoa has experienced since 2008 was in large part the result of imposing minimum hourly wages across various industries. The island’s primary industry is tuna fish canning, with major employers Chicken of the Sea closing and Starkist announcing huge layoffs. In 2008, the number of workers in the canneries was slightly more than 19,000 but has since fallen to 15,400.
Imagine the impact of this kind of job loss on an island with a total population of just over 67,000 people. At the same time, according to the GAO, the value of canned tuna fell from almost $600 million at the end of 2008 to $312 million by the beginning of 2010. What is even more astonishing is that, despite minimum wage laws, earning overall for American Samoans has fallen. “For the period from 2006 to 2009, average inflation-adjusted earnings fell by 11 percent. This resulted from a rise in average annual earnings of about 5 percent while local prices rose by about 18 percent,” the GAO report stated. Another federally mandated minimum wage increase is scheduled to go into effect for the cannery industry in September 2012, raising the minimum to $5.26 an hour."
Less tuna boats are coming to these places. And they weren't empty when they arrived. They brought goods to these places so now there is a lowered supply.
This article is comparing time periods just before/just after the big economomic downturn of 2009. There were massive layoffs everywhere and many companies closed their doors forever, including large corporations that were in business for many decades. Of course there were big differences between 2008 and 2010. 2008 was before the big recession and by 2010, the big recession had already occurred. Same thing with the 2006 to 2009 comparison. This was before/after recession comparison too.
Don't try to blame this on minimum wage when it was recession related.
This isn't true. Companies only hire when there is work that they need someone to do. They aren't going to hire extra people because the wages are lower. What are they going to do, have some people standing around idle and say "That's ok, we are paying them lower so we just hired more of them, although we still have the same amount of work we had before."
Quite a few companies hire based on budgets.
When you artificially raise wages quality suffers. There is less value. Generally speaking when wages rise, the product cost will rise. A quality product for a fair price is the balance between consumer and producer. When prices rise the consumer gets hurt.
This article is comparing time periods just before/just after the big economomic downturn of 2009. There were massive layoffs everywhere and many companies closed their doors forever, including large corporations that were in business for many decades. Of course there were big differences between 2008 and 2010. 2008 was before the big recession and by 2010, the big recession had already occurred. Same thing with the 2006 to 2009 comparison. This was before/after recession comparison too.
Don't try to blame this on minimum wage when it was recession related.
Tuna companies left for one reason and one reason only, because it wasn't worth it to pay the higher wages. They told us that.
But we should believe you over them right?
"In 2007, the hourly minimum wage in American Samoa for fish canning and processing was $3.76 and the minimum wage for government employees was $3.41. Shipping had the highest minimum wage, at $4.59. Garment manufacturers got the lowest, at $3.18 an hour. A $7.25 wage is a substantial increase for most residents.
Chicken of the Sea will lay off 2,041 employees—12 percent of total employment, almost half of all cannery workers. And the 2,700 workers at StarKist, the other American Samoa tuna canning company and Chicken of the Sea’s rival, are probably concerned that their jobs are the next to go.
American Samoa’s loss is Georgia’s gain. Chicken of the Sea will move to Lyons, Georgia, (2007 population 4,480) employing 200 people in a new $20 million plant on a more capital-intensive production line."
A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it away.
When are people going to learn?
OMG this is so ass backwards.
Why should corporations STEAL the WORK AND LABOR of the WORKING class without any type of regulations to reign them in?
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