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Old 05-17-2017, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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You keep bringing up the James Comey / Hillary Clinton deflection, but you never answer the question: why, if she is so guilty, and if all of the evidence is still sitting in files at the FBI, and if the statute of limitations hasn't expired, then why is Attorney General Jeff Sessions sitting on his thumbs instead of indicting Hillary Clinton?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
Good luck getting an answer LOL.

When you talk Trumpers into a corner to where they have no defense, they usually just stop posting. LOL
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Personal thoughts here: what Trump said (if one is to believe the media) does not sound like a "crime" to me. It didn't sound threatening or pressuring; however, it was highly improper for him to make a remark like that. You just don't. Comey took the notes of the meeting, which included that statement. I don't think anything will come of it unless there is other evidence out there that Trump was using coercion or threats to make anyone in the FBI uncomfortable about doing their job.
Yes, once again we will make exception for Trump on what are the bounds of moral and professional behavior for a president. Aren't you getting sick of giving this man a pass for what would never have been tolerated in a minor office holder much less the President of the US?
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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Let's assume for a moment that Trump used his position as POTUS to tell the head of the FBI to stop the investigation of Flynn. Lets say the memo details that. It would be a crime.

Now, why didn't Comey report that crime? Why would he wait until after he lost his job to report it?

You know that if he testifies that Trump committed this crime, Comey will be asked why he didn't immediately take it to the DOJ. Since the accusation, the POTUS forcing the FBI to stop a criminal investigation of a high ranking official, is extremely serious, what could be the justification for inaction?

The only testimony Comey could make without making it look like he agreed to not pursue Flynn is that Trump did not pressure him; otherwise, it would appear as though he made a deal and backed out only after he was fired.
Simple. Comey is building a case. If he was investing a mob boss for racketeering would he bring charges of obstruction of justice early in the investigation process? Don't think so.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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There's a very good chance trump wanted Comey to stop the Flynn investigation because trump knows Flynn has dirt on him and his Russian connections.

All this talk of loyalty with trump is just talk. He's not loyal to anyone. But he's fearful of enemies.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:38 AM
 
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Let's assume for a moment that Trump used his position as POTUS to tell the head of the FBI to stop the investigation of Flynn. Lets say the memo details that. It would be a crime.

Now, why didn't Comey report that crime? Why would he wait until after he lost his job to report it?

You know that if he testifies that Trump committed this crime, Comey will be asked why he didn't immediately take it to the DOJ. Since the accusation, the POTUS forcing the FBI to stop a criminal investigation of a high ranking official, is extremely serious, what could be the justification for inaction?

The only testimony Comey could make without making it look like he agreed to not pursue Flynn is that Trump did not pressure him; otherwise, it would appear as though he made a deal and backed out only after he was fired.
The YUGE flaw in Pedro's argument is that law enforcement officials aren't required to immediately press charges against suspects when said LEOs see the possibility of more evidence/further charges against the suspect. That happens all the time, law enforcement letting the suspect dig a deeper hole in order to get a stronger case.

#THREADFAIL
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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Yes, once again we will make exception for Trump on what are the bounds of moral and professional behavior for a president. Aren't you getting sick of giving this man a pass for what would never have been tolerated in a minor office holder much less the President of the US?
Read my posts, I'm not a Trump supporter...at all, so thankfully I never give him a pass.

Just trying to look at it objectively. His remark was highly improper but I don't think it was criminal.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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If Trump committed such a crime in front of him, it would be an impeachable offense along with a criminal offense. It would be insanity to allow a POTUS to sit for possibly years more while waiting for a Russia investigation that would almost assuredly be circumstantial at best.

You can try to rationalize it that way if you choose, but it will come down to either Trump committing a crime and Comey ignoring it or Trump not committing that crime.
Comey had no direct evidence at this point, but at this point Comey knew that Trump knew Flynn was in serious trouble, that at minimum could reflect badly on Trump. Comey noted the conversation and most likely was going to see how this fit within the ongoing investigation.

It's not all warped up in a single "Ah HA!" moment as Comey whips out his badge and handcuffs.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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No.

Comey wasn't an accomplice because A. he recorded the incident, put it on the record. B. he didn't comply, he didn't drop the investigation of Flynn/Russia, and C. he would say that Trump was in a gray area, where it was yet to be determined if Trump's INTENT was to use the power of his office to force the FBI to drop the investigation, or if Trump's INTENT was to simply defend Flynn. The INTENT is determined by Trump's following actions, when Trump himself cites the Russian investigation as a reason to fire Comey, and then actually fires Comey. The firing itself excludes Comey as an accomplice.
Excellent summary. Thanks.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Personal thoughts here: what Trump said (if one is to believe the media) does not sound like a "crime" to me. It didn't sound threatening or pressuring; however, it was highly improper for him to make a remark like that. You just don't. Comey took the notes of the meeting, which included that statement. I don't think anything will come of it unless there is other evidence out there that Trump was using coercion or threats to make anyone in the FBI uncomfortable about doing their job.
Exactly.

"I hope we can close this" isn't obstruction of justice nor is it asking Comey to commit a crime.

If you think that's nitpicking.... remember how much Democrats cared about what the word "is" is.......
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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Comey simply maintained internal memos/notes as PART of the investigation. There is no purpose to release info before the investigation was over.
He is required by law to report such, he reported such to no one. He broke the law, but then... you people have no clue what the law is, I mean... you thought Hillary was innocent.
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