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Old 05-19-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
Stop paying taxes and you will see the barrel of the gun.
But that's not what you said. You said, "Pay taxes at gunpoint." That's never happened to me. Stop being melodramatic.

 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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No, I pay taxes and have NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER had a gun pointed at me. So no, I won't agree with your alternative facts, sir.


How bout you stop paying your taxes for a few years? See how "voluntary" taxation is. And if you admit that it is NOT voluntary, then how can you say that taxation is backed by the promise of prison - i.e. at the end of a gun?
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:14 PM
 
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I've heard this called the "I see no gun" fallacy. I already explained that just because people submit before the gun is used does not mean there is no gun involved.
I don't care what you call it. Millions understand that nothing gets done unless people pool their money together. I've covered this endlessly recently.

They contribute not because a gun is held to their head but because they want roads and bridges that no, people are NOT going to build locally.

Theory is great in a classroom. Rarely does it work in real life. Your dreams of "hey, let's all pitch in and build a bridge" is never going to work.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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You pay fines or go to jail if you don't pay taxes. You go to jail if you don't pay those fines. It's not hard.
I know many who do neither.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Originally Posted by Jstarling View Post
I suppose this depends on which end of the economic spectrum you all....
No, it does not.
Compulsory labor for the benefit of another (slavery) and expropriation of property for the benefit of another (theft by government) aka socialism - is not an acceptable remedy for the ills of mankind.

Of course, if you consent, making it voluntary servitude, then it is fine.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:17 PM
 
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She was on Social Security and Medicare from 1974 to her death in 1982. As was her husband.
Which she paid into.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What I am talking about is when the general public has more discretionary funds to start buying more stuff, it causes the economy to grow faster. The government gave the money to the banks, who were not getting what was owed them from the people who had mortgages.
The people who had defaulted on their mortgages got free homes. $2 Trillion worth of free homes. How does that not mean more discretionary income injected into the economy?

Do people really NOT know what happened?

The Federal Reserve created $2 Trillion in new money to buy Fannie and Freddie MBS, and is just going to let those $2 Trillion in Fannie and Freddie MBS roll off their balance sheet as they mature, paid or not. Meanwhile, $2 Trillion in new money was created and artificially injected into the economy, taxpayers are paying the interest on that $2 Trillion in additional debt (US Treasury Bonds were likely created to finance that $2 Trillion in Fannie and Freddie MBS purchases), and that extra $2 Trillion in new money artificially injected into the economy has devalued the US $.

Proof:

The Federal Reserve's Agency (Agency = GSE: Fannie and Freddie) MBS (Mortgage-Backed Securities) in 2008: $0
FRB: H.4.1 Release--Factors Affecting Reserve Balances--December 4, 2008

The Federal Reserve's current Agency (GSE: Fannie and Freddie) MBS: $1.779 Trillion
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/

Proof of the free homes:

Foreclosure to Home Free, as 5-Year Clock Expires - NY Times
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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No, I pay taxes and have NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER had a gun pointed at me. So no, I won't agree with your alternative facts, sir.
That's because you complied. The endgame if you refuse to pay taxes is either arrest and prison or getting shot resisting.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I don't care what you call it. Millions understand that nothing gets done unless people pool their money together. I've covered this endlessly recently.

They contribute not because a gun is held to their head but because they want roads and bridges that no, people are NOT going to build locally.

Theory is great in a classroom. Rarely does it work in real life. Your dreams of "hey, let's all pitch in and build a bridge" is never going to work.
I want to pay my fair share of taxes for Constitutional expenses. I don't won't to pay for forced redistribution programs. it is intellectually dishonest to associate ones desire to not be taxed for paying social programs as not wanting to pay for constitutional expenses. It's old and boring.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 03:42 PM
 
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I want to pay my fair share of taxes for Constitutional expenses. I don't won't to pay for forced redistribution programs. it is intellectually dishonest to associate ones desire to not be taxed for paying social programs as not wanting to pay for constitutional expenses. It's old and boring.
If we can do it across the board, fine. Bring all the soldiers home.
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