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Old 05-19-2017, 04:40 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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There are more than a few people who look at Vice President Pence and see President Pence — possibly sooner than later. For wistful Democrats, it would be the end result of President Trump stepping aside or being impeached; for wistful Republicans, some dream of a more serious, less error-prone Republican president actually succeeding at passing a conservative agenda.

But as The Post's Abby Phillip began documenting last week, Pence has hardly been immune from Trump's foibles and from saying untrue things about them. And now twice in the past week, his defenses of the White House he serves in have been pretty directly contradicted in ways that seriously call into question his credibility.
Analysis | Vice President Pence has a growing credibility problem


D-U-H, anyone who would choose to be in the inner circle of the POS LYING IMBECILE Donald Trump, would have to be every bit as amoral as he is!


Just look at the lying Spicer and Kellyanne Conway for examples!
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The answer to why Pence accepted Trump's offer is pretty obvious to me- the guy had higher ambitions than the Governor's Office. Trump offered him a better deal than the one he had, and he took it.

Every Vice Presidential candidate always hits the campaign trail in service of the guy who hired him. Loyalty and agreement with the boss is a given for them all. I've never seen a VP contradict his boss in any major way ever.

Even Sarah Palin stuck with McCain's agenda as much as she could - we all got to see what she really thought later on, but even when it pained her, she followed McCain's lead as best as was possible for her scrambled mind.

Pence is far more astute than Palin was, and he knew he had to toe every line Trump set. he was hired to be the steady one, the counterweight to the impulsive Trump, and once elected, Trump depended on that steadiness even more. So Pence is simply doing what he sees as he must do.

I would do the same. Trump may well emerge from all the present uproar unscathed. If that's how it goes, Pence still has to do his job. If Trump finds himself headed toward impeachment, Pence will have to stick with him, because if he doesn't, he will look like he wants to replace the boss too much, and that will turn all of Trump's voters away from him.

So he's walking a hazardous trail. But Pence is fully aware of the possibilities and outcomes, and I think he's a realist; if Trump stays, he has to avoid appearing disappointed, and if Trump goes, he has to act Presidential.

I watched President Ford go through all this, and Ford never wanted to be VP; it landed on him after Agnew bailed out. It's a tough proposition for Pence, no matter what transpires.

If the worst outcome happens, he has to be ready for it, and that has to be a real strain on him, because he also has to act and think that the worst won't happen to keep doing his present job at the same time. He cannot display his real feelings in either direction, and he can't stay out of it because Trump has put him so close to the center of it all.

This kind of deep internal conflict has to be difficult for anyone.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:14 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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The answer to why Pence accepted Trump's offer is pretty obvious to me- the guy had higher ambitions than the Governor's Office. Trump offered him a better deal than the one he had, and he took it.

Every Vice Presidential candidate always hits the campaign trail in service of the guy who hired him. Loyalty and agreement with the boss is a given for them all. I've never seen a VP contradict his boss in any major way ever.

Even Sarah Palin stuck with McCain's agenda as much as she could - we all got to see what she really thought later on, but even when it pained her, she followed McCain's lead as best as was possible for her scrambled mind.

Pence is far more astute than Palin was, and he knew he had to toe every line Trump set. he was hired to be the steady one, the counterweight to the impulsive Trump, and once elected, Trump depended on that steadiness even more. So Pence is simply doing what he sees as he must do.

I would do the same. Trump may well emerge from all the present uproar unscathed. If that's how it goes, Pence still has to do his job. If Trump finds himself headed toward impeachment, Pence will have to stick with him, because if he doesn't, he will look like he wants to replace the boss too much, and that will turn all of Trump's voters away from him.

So he's walking a hazardous trail. But Pence is fully aware of the possibilities and outcomes, and I think he's a realist; if Trump stays, he has to avoid appearing disappointed, and if Trump goes, he has to act Presidential.

I watched President Ford go through all this, and Ford never wanted to be VP; it landed on him after Agnew bailed out. It's a tough proposition for Pence, no matter what transpires.

If the worst outcome happens, he has to be ready for it, and that has to be a real strain on him, because he also has to act and think that the worst won't happen to keep doing his present job at the same time. This kind of internal conflict is difficult for anyone.

What you are describing is a HO....one with absolutely no self respect, or principals, who can easily be bought for a song!


No thank you, Trump doesn't have enough money to buy a truly decent person!
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:14 AM
 
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If you do not like Trump or Pence the solution is to win elections.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:19 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Okay, so now we know the game plan ...when we get Trump out of office, Pence will already have been discredited sufficiently so that we can nullify him too.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:20 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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If you do not like Trump or Pence the solution is to win elections.
Absolutely true. But they aren't going to win anything with their current strategy.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:21 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Okay, so now we know the game plan ...when we get Trump out of office, Pence will already have been discredited sufficiently so that we can nullify him too.

Game ON!
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:33 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Game ON!
Well, thanks for the confirmation that that is what your party has in mind.
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