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Old 05-21-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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And those people should pay the price for their short sighted thinking. The ACA is a a bad law and always was. It is misnamed. It should have been called the unaffordable care act.

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Old 05-21-2017, 05:37 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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I would opt out. It should be voluntary.
Then if you can opt out, you should be made to opt out forever. No opting IN if you lose your job or get too sick or injured to work. Out forever. You don't like health insurance? Then stay OUT. And maybe you'll get to see what it's like when you need it and no one will help you. Not that I wish that on anybody, but people who won't pitch in, need to understand what it would be like.
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Old 05-21-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Amen.

Hoping admin does not re-appeal Monday, which would force everyone to formally recognize the years long ACA death spiral.
and then the plan is ......


Like I said they need to have a legitimate plan to replace, they do not.
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Old 05-21-2017, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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You mean like by using Romney-care as the model for the ACA? The Republicans were certainly never going to support the ACA because of Obama - but you should check your history. The ACA WAS the compromise bill.
The compromises in Obamacare were payoffs, bribes and compromises within the Democrat caucus, not with Republicans.

What Romney did was exactly what the Democrats in Congress did not do, he worked with the opposition to create a bill they could both live with for the citizens of MA.

Health Insurance and health care issues should have been left to the states to work out. The whole idea of federalism is to let the states do what is best for them and their citizens, not a size fits all national solution.

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As someone that actually worked in the HC industry at the time (and still do) - this is not true at all. The effort it took to re-work things for the ACA was significant and required a lot of time to implement.
It is entirely true. Obamacare didn't begin implementation until AFTER his second run for the presidency. Had implementation started in 2010 when it passed, he knew he would not win reelection. Obamacare was designed to fail from the beginning to bring pressure for single payer from the government.
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Old 05-21-2017, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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no more mandates , it is unconstitutional.
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Old 05-21-2017, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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When voters elect people that love corporations and their bribe money and hate the government, what do we think will happen? These puppets dont care about ordinary folks. Their donors laugh at the voters for electing people who they think care about them.
It's becoming more clear to me as time passes, that Trump really doesn't give a damn about the well-being of anyone. It's no longer just a joking matter, about him. It's become a serious threat to the functioning of the entire country and ultimately, all its people. Even the one per-centers will eventually suffer, if the nation goes into depression and chaos. What fools they are, to let him ruin the base of their wealth.
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Old 05-21-2017, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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It's becoming more clear to me as time passes, that Trump really doesn't give a damn about the well-being of anyone. It's no longer just a joking matter, about him. It's become a serious threat to the functioning of the entire country and ultimately, all its people..
Completely agree with you.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Houston
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In the six years after Obamacare was passed life expectancy growth dropped by 2/3rds from what it was in the previous six years. In 2015 life expectancy actually declined for the first time since 1987 when we were in the middle of the AIDS epidemic.

Well, Obamacare is reducing our projected SS shortfall by killing off Americans.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:10 AM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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It's been dying for the last 4 years. Trump can only put it out it's misery and force congress to come up with a new plan.
And why is that? Did Republicans fund the high risk corridors meant to ease the burden? It's almost like they went out of their way to make ACA not work... which in turned put a needless burden on Americans.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:13 AM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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And by not shoring up ACA while a "new plan" is hashed out also needlessly burdens Americans. If Republicans wanted to stabilize premiums through ACA they could do so or have done so by following the ACA. But.... politics and such....
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