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Old 05-22-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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Taxing someone less is not a gift. it is allowing them to keep more of their money.
They are gifts. The share of national income going to the top 0.1% donor class has skyrocketed since the 1980s. Thats a deliberate policy made possible through relentless attacks on unions, weakening anti-trust laws, erosion of the minimum wage, anti-worker trade deals, deregulation of Wall Street and a whole host of other policies intended to transfer money from the 99% into the pockets of the ruling donor class.

You can deny this all you want but it doesnt make it any less true.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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NxtGen and T-310.....YOU WERE SAYING?
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Originally Posted by 2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
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Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
Yes... we were saying...

What I was saying is that the Bible does not teach lethargy, in fact, such is a sin. It does not teach taking to give to another. It teaches self responsibility in both our lives and in our helping others.

I clarified this here:

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Socialism/Communism is evil. The Bible does not teach taking from others to equalize all. It promotes responsible aid and giving by individual choice.

Taking from others to achieve such is evil and any progressive that thinks it is acceptable to take from another to spread the wealth is not following the Bible.

If one believes the Bible is wrong, then one does not serve God and can not be of Christ.

We have no problems with giving, in fact.. we encourage it, but to provide for those who refuse to provide for themselves is not helping the poor and giving more than you can, causing hardships on your family is not serving God.

You people love to quote scripture in your off times of denouncing it, but your ignorance of it is beyond scope.

I will not argue scripture with you people because you have no understanding or honesty of it, it is merely a political ball to spike in front of your opponent for you.

Let it be known that you do not use Gods word to promote it, you use it like a prostitute, to defile it for your own purpose.

Be gone!

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Old 05-22-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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I've been reading about that in fact. Mike is indeed correct that the SSI maximum monthly amount is $733.00 for an individual and $1100 per couple. I stand corrected on this point - I was thinking of SSDI, not SSI. Making a clear distinction between the two is important. My mistake!

The $733 isn't the sole benefit however, which deserves fair mention if we're to remain factual:

Title XVI of the Social Security Act 1611, provides monthly federal cash assistance of up to $733 for an individual and $1,100 for a couple (as of 2015)[35] to help meet the costs of basic needs of food, shelter and clothing. In most states, SSI eligibility usually assures concurrent access to important medical coverage under the various state Medicaid programs and sometimes access to Section 8 housing benefits. In some states, supplemental payments are made by the state, increasing the cash assistance available through SSI. For example, the state of California, through its State Supplementation Program (SSP), increases the cash assistance, making the total 2015 SSI benefit $889.40 per month.
Lol. Oh my gosh a whole 889 a month....in California.

Notice how it's all in some cases? Yeah. Section 8 here has a waiting list to get on the waiting list. And Trumps budget takes a axe too it. And Medicare just covers medical costs. So while you are remaining factual, it's not helping any argument that is based on them getting sufficient help.

Our safety net has holes.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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Yes... we were saying...

What I was saying is that the Bible does not teach lethargy, in fact, such is a sin.

We have no problems with giving, in fact.. we encourage it, but to provide for those who refuse to provide for themselves is not helping the poor and giving more than you can, causing hardships on family.
When you say this, are you referring to the millions of rural Trump voters who abuse the welfare and disability system every month?

Or just the "lethargic," "inner-city" poor people?
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Lol. Oh my gosh a whole 889 a month....in California.

Notice how it's all in some cases? Yeah. Section 8 here has a waiting list to get on the waiting list. And Trumps budget takes a axe too it. And Medicare just covers medical costs. So while you are remaining factual, it's not helping any argument that is based on them getting sufficient help.

Our safety net has holes.
How much money do you think that a person born disabled who has never worked or paid taxes a day in their life should receive? Take your magic number and multiply it by the number of people who meet this criteria. Can we afford it? Who should pay for it?

This isn't a question of punishing somebody for being born broken, it's a simple question of practicality, and the extent of financial responsibility that is fair for American workers to shoulder.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.
BIGGEST BULL EVER !!!
the are no hooks- there is no bait- there is no poles or even teachers-- NOT even way to the dam creek!


Because -the education and accessibility or opportunity is NOT there- LIES
BS, get out of your basement and go look.. Lazy lazy ...
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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This is also a false statement.
How so?

I showed the government stats of food stamp recipients.

Every Fed pick Obama made, big or small was to a QE Trickle Down pusher.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:54 AM
 
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When you say this, are you referring to the millions of rural Trump voters who abuse the welfare and disability system every month?

Or just the "lethargic," "inner-city" poor people?
I am talking about ANYONE who will not provide for their family.

The problem with your arguments is they wreak of partisan propaganda. I make an honest point, you inject your progressive Alinksy BS you have been taught.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Lol. Oh my gosh a whole 889 a month....in California.

Notice how it's all in some cases? Yeah. Section 8 here has a waiting list to get on the waiting list. And Trumps budget takes a axe too it. And Medicare just covers medical costs. So while you are remaining factual, it's not helping any argument that is based on them getting sufficient help.

Our safety net has holes.
Yes, its appalling. I bet people would demand change and much better support for our disabled fellow human beings, if the media actually reported on these issues, but the dominant media are owned by the ruling donor class (90% of all media is owned by just 6 huge corporations) so they dont want people to be informed about real issues. The American people are compassionate people but if people are not informed and dont get to see the real life struggle of the disabled, we get the results we see today.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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BS, get out of your basement and go look.. Lazy lazy ...

That reminds me of some guy that was complaining to me once about there not being any jobs, and no means to find better work. When I brought up learning new skills, the idiot went on about how school is so expensive and they couldn't afford it. When I brought up self study, learning some skills/trade so they could be marketable (get a book, use the Internet, and certify or education in something), they went on about how not everyone is disciplined or "smart" enough to learn on their own or learn some of these marketable trades.

My only reply to that was... "Go get a shovel, dig a hole and bury yourself in it as that is about the worth you have established for yourself".

I was called "mean" and "insensitive".



These poor little kids these days, they don't understand the concept of "can't" and "won't". The thing about starving is... it turns can't into "can", and won't into "will" pretty darn quickly.
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