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Old 05-22-2017, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Poor people need some incentive in finding work, this should help
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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Poor people need some incentive in finding work, this should help
Bull. further impoverishing them isnt going to help. Know what REAL help looks like? Making the benefits trail off gradually instead of cutting off. Avoiding the whole "If I make more, I lose income". THAT would help. This? This is just vindictive nonsense thats simply going to make our country a worse place.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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But... You guys said that's fake news! Your own Dear Leader is fond of saying that the published U-3 unemployment rate is a lie and the real rate is much, much higher.


Duly noted and done. And I suggest you grow a conscience and some decency, but we both know that's not gonna happen. Gotta keep those rich people getting even richer!
Don't waste electrons debating Whogo. I'm confident that he works for the Cato Institute.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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Welfare should be the last resort, yet for many people, it's their first resort.

People who are too mentally or physically disabled to be self-sufficient . . . I have no issues with providing for these people.

People who try, but have simply fallen on hard times . . . I have no issues with providing for these people.

People who have turned mooching off of the government into a career? NO.

That's not what the system was meant to be. That's a form of welfare fraud. I am fully supportive of kicking every single one of these people off of the welfare system.

Liberals can't distinguish between those who use welfare as plan Z and those who use it as plan A, because liberals lack a moral compass.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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Welfare should be the last resort, yet for many people, it's their first resort.

People who are too mentally or physically disabled to be self-sufficient . . . I have no issues with providing for these people.

People who try, but have simply fallen on hard times . . . I have no issues with providing for these people.

People who have turned mooching off of the government into a career? NO.

That's not what the system was meant to be. That's a form of welfare fraud. I am fully supportive of kicking every single one of these people off of the welfare system.

Liberals can't distinguish between those who use welfare as plan Z and those who use it as plan A, because liberals lack a moral compass.
Uh huh. we lack a moral compass? project much?

Seriously, Clintons reform of welfare pretty much put a end to that. You do know that because of Clinton we now have a 7 year lifetime limit on getting actual welfare?

mooching off the government is a truly truly sucky "career".
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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What a ridiculous joke you're making here with this graph and then talking about Obama failing with the economy. The rise in SNAP recipients was a direct result of the recession brought on by the 8 years of G. W. Bush and all the crooked loan deals that tanked our economy in 2008, just as he was leaving office and dumping the mess in Obama's lap. If it weren't for the 8 years each, with Bill Clinton and Obama, to restore our economy and drive down the deficit, we'd be nothing but history today, as a functional world power. It's a mysterious and ambiguous phenomenon, that we were able to rise so high, despite the unrelenting efforts of the morons on the right, to drag us down.
You are a joke.

#1 Obama was president for 8 years. Food Stamp recipients were 50% higher on his last day than on his first day --- AFTER 8 YEARS.

Obama engaged in more Trickle Down economics than any president in US history while saying he opposed trickle down economics in unqualified terms (it sounds like you were one of the people cheering him ignorantly when he would do so in speeches).

Obama's economy was great for the well to do. Obama's economy was great for the stock market (thanks QE trickle down economics)!

The jobs created under Obama averaged less wages and less benefits than the jobs lost. 50% more food stamps after 8 years in office.


#2 How specifically was Clinton great for the economy - he lucked into the internet happening on his watch?

Clinton had welfare reform - the same thing you denounce Trump for proposing. Derp!

Let me guess, you cheered Bernie Sanders when he blasted NAFTA (Clinton signed into law). You cheered Bernie when he blasted China pushed into WTO and the permanent trade deal (Clinton pushed both). You cheered Bernie when blasted the deregulation of Big Banks under Glass Stegall (Clinton signed that into law too).
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Old 05-22-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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Welfare should be the last resort, yet for many people, it's their first resort.

People who are too mentally or physically disabled to be self-sufficient . . . I have no issues with providing for these people.

People who try, but have simply fallen on hard times . . . I have no issues with providing for these people.

People who have turned mooching off of the government into a career? NO.

That's not what the system was meant to be. That's a form of welfare fraud. I am fully supportive of kicking every single one of these people off of the welfare system.

Liberals can't distinguish between those who use welfare as plan Z and those who use it as plan A, because liberals lack a moral compass.

Totally agree with you.
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Old 05-22-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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Clinton had welfare reform - the same thing you denounce Trump for proposing. Derp!
Reforn is not what Trump is doing. Clinton proposed specific changes to the programs that designed them to be more of a hand up then a lifelong handout. And at the time that was very appropriate.

All Trumps changes do is pour oil on the hand.
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Old 05-22-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Bull. further impoverishing them isnt going to help. Know what REAL help looks like? Making the benefits trail off gradually instead of cutting off. Avoiding the whole "If I make more, I lose income". THAT would help. This? This is just vindictive nonsense thats simply going to make our country a worse place.
How's that "War on Poverty" started by LBJ working out?
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Old 05-22-2017, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You are a joke.

#2 How specifically was Clinton great for the economy - he lucked into the internet happening on his watch?
Let me add that Clinton was fortunate to serve between the end of the Cold War and the War on Terror.
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