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Old 05-20-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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Throughout most of the United States, an IQ of below 70 is the threshold at which a person is considered mentally incompetent. Persons with an IQ under 70 are held to different legal standards and are not punished at the same level as a person with a higher IQ. In cases of the death penalty, for example, a person with a proven IQ of 70 or lower is usually considered exempt from execution.

This leads to an obvious question: if we have already set the legal standard that people with an IQ of 70 or below are mentally incompetent, should we allow them to have children? If we allow them to have children, aren't we condemning their children to a life of poor parental care, which inevitably leads to multiple issues, not only for the child but also for society? After all, who will raise their children if the parent can't?

If you don't agree with the idea that low IQ people should be prohibited from having children, then explain how allowing them to have children is workable for society.

And for perspective, 2 percent of the US population, 6.5 million people, have an IQ of 70 or below.

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Old 05-20-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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Throughout most of the United States, an IQ of below 70 is the threshold at which a person is considered mentally incompetent. Persons with an IQ under 70 are held to different legal standards and are not punished at the same level as a person with a higher IQ. In cases of the death penalty, for example, a person with a proven IQ of 70 or lower is usually considered exempt from execution.

This leads to an obvious question: if we have already set the legal standard that people with an IQ of 70 or below are mentally incompetent, should we allow them to have children? If we allow them to have children, aren't we condemning their children to a life of poor parental care, which inevitably leads to multiple issues, not only for the child but also for society? After all, who will raise their children if the parent can't?

If you don't agree with the idea that low IQ people should be prohibited from having children, then explain how allowing them to have children is workable for society.

And for perspective, 16 percent of the US population, 51 million people, have an IQ of 70 or below.
How will your proposal be enforced?
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:13 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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You would have fit right in in Nazi Germany.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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If you are really interested in this subject, Google William Shockley.

He was the co-inventor of the transistor in the 1950's, and won a Nobel Prize for it. He then got into "Eugenics", and it destroyed his career.

His recommendation, unlike the Nazis who wanted forced sterilization, was to find a way to provide incentives for low IQ people to not breed, while providing incentives for high IQ people to breed more.

He saw it as a big problem when the person down the street with an IQ of 70 (who happened to be black) had 14 kids, but high IQ people were having 1 or 2 kids at the most. He called that "Dysgenics".
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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This should be up to the family to decide. I think parents of low IQ children should be able to decide to have their children sterilized. If they choose to let them have children I think those children should become the responsibility of the grand parents since their parents aren't really capable of raising them.

I do not think that any parent who is incapable of caring for their children should be allowed to keep said children. If someone with an IQ too low to be responsible to take care of a child has a child that child should be placed with someone else to be raised. While we can't tell them they can't have kids we can tell them they can't keep them if they can't take care of them.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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How will your proposal be enforced?
That's a discussion unto itself. There are numerous ways to prevent low IQ people from having children, but first, we have to come to an agreement in society about whether that's what we want.

The alternative is to just let low IQ people have as many children as they want and all their children will become automatic wards of the state.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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That's a discussion unto itself. There are numerous ways to prevent low IQ people from having children, but first, we have to come to an agreement in society about whether that's what we want.

The alternative is to just let low IQ people have as many children as they want and all their children will become automatic wards of the state.
Wards of the state isn't the main problem here. Shockley had data that indicated low IQ tended to be genetic, so their kids would tend to have lower IQ's also. He believed that if the unbalance in the number of kids being born in both groups were left alone the IQ of the population as a whole would drop.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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No, go to china if you want socially engineered sheep.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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If you are really interested in this subject, Google William Shockley.

He was the co-inventor of the transistor in the 1950's, and won a Nobel Prize for it. He then got into "Eugenics", and it destroyed his career.

His recommendation, unlike the Nazis who wanted forced sterilization, was to find a way to provide incentives for low IQ people to not breed, while providing incentives for high IQ people to breed more.

He saw it as a big problem when the person down the street with an IQ of 70 (who happened to be black) had 14 kids, but high IQ people were having 1 or 2 kids at the most. He called that "Dysgenics".
I'm aware of William Schockley. His views enraged many and he was condemned by mainstream society, but no one has ever proven him wrong.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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No, because it leads to a slippery slope. First it's people with 70 or lower IQ'S who can't have children then when they die out people with 90 IQ points or lower wouldn't be allowed to have children, next it would be 100 and I feel like that would go on and on. I also don't want the government to intrude on anyone's sex life.
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