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The Republican Party leadership and the Republican Party voters have been drifting apart in priorities for at least a decade. The leadership is primarily concerned about implementing policies that are desired by big business lobbies such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce
When it comes to foreign affairs, they tend to have a globalist outlook with hawkish attitudes when it comes to certain foreign entities.
By contrast, the Republican Party voters, which have been and mostly still are traditionally standard middle class or upper middle class Americans, have been drifting in a more populist direction since about 2006. Middle class Republican voters have become increasingly concerned with issues like immigration (both illegal and legal), free trade, and involvement in foreign wars and conflicts.
Then along came Donald Trump. Trump, perhaps inadvertently, struck on the issues that resonated with many Republicans and even independent voters, and those voters turned their fury on the Republican leadership and supported Trump.
I think we have a very strange situation here.
For the younger generation of Republicans like myself and my friends, we have zero loyalty towards Trump. It is really pretty black and white for us. Economy and war. Say no to war, say yes to jobs. Free trade is okay as long as it is fair. If he can do these two things, good, if not, see ya. It is that simple.
Gay marriage, abortion, race relationships, bathroom issues, (lol) nobody really cares about those. Not priorities for any of us.
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IMO the GOP split is going to happen either way. There is a huge cultural divide between Whites with a college degree (the traditional GOP base), and Whites without a college degree (the Trump base). College educated Republicans like me tend to be primarily interested in lower taxes and responsible spending, we're "business Republicans". The Trump Republicans on the other hand tend to talk endlessly about immigrants stealing jobs (that they won't do anyways), the minorities are "taking over", how Muslims are supposedly going to impose Sharia law, how they want the government to control businesses to save their low skill jobs (in the real world we call that socialism), how they are supposedly losing "their country", how they are butthurt about having to press 1 for English or whatever (so press the damn #1 key! Why is that so hard?), and it's really bizarre.
We have little in common ...
Well - your analogy is a little off - as there are 4 college educated adults in our household - one with a masters - 1 is republican 2 independents and 1 democrat - we all voted for Trump as the alternatives were worse.
But yes - we all are fed up with pressing 1, the influx of immigrants - not so much taking jobs - but services we pay for, the chance of increased terror activities or just the poor folks who would still be walking this earth today had not illegal immigrants ended their lives. I don't think it's as much having a college degree as having real world experiences in the areas you live. When these things don't affect you - you could care - when these things have affected you or are in your backyard - then you give a darn.
The Republican Party leadership and the Republican Party voters have been drifting apart in priorities for at least a decade. The leadership is primarily concerned about implementing policies that are desired by big business lobbies such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce
When it comes to foreign affairs, they tend to have a globalist outlook with hawkish attitudes when it comes to certain foreign entities.
By contrast, the Republican Party voters, which have been and mostly still are traditionally standard middle class or upper middle class Americans, have been drifting in a more populist direction since about 2006. Middle class Republican voters have become increasingly concerned with issues like immigration (both illegal and legal), free trade, and involvement in foreign wars and conflicts.
Then along came Donald Trump. Trump, perhaps inadvertently, struck on the issues that resonated with many Republicans and even independent voters, and those voters turned their fury on the Republican leadership and supported Trump.
I think we have a very strange situation here.
For the younger generation of Republicans like myself and my friends, we have zero loyalty towards Trump. It is really pretty black and white for us. Economy and war. Say no to war, say yes to jobs. Free trade is okay as long as it is fair. If he can do these two things, good, if not, see ya. It is that simple.
Gay marriage, abortion, race relationships, bathroom issues, (lol) nobody really cares about those. Not priorities for any of us.
So how is this administration going for you? More jobs, less military, no social issue nonsense, free trade?
So how is this administration going for you? More jobs, less military, no social issue nonsense, free trade?
So how is every administration going for anybody? It is not about ME personally. My future is set, I have a good family.
I love this type of post, no matter how you answer, the answer is wrong. Don't even go there, every American voter took a risk at election date. no need to say "I told you so", I certainly am not going to do it to anybody.
There used to be a time loyalty to party wasn't so self destructive. Politicians used to throw just enough to the people to keep them happy. Today, they want it all.
Slowly the people are beginning to see America doesn't work for them. The two major parties are doing everything they can to hold onto voters but they have to tap into emotions like fear to keep getting votes.
"I will save you from terrorists!"
"I will save you from Mexicans!"
"I will save you from poverty..."
And that is losing its effectiveness.
Instead of delivering on promises they had no intentions of fulfilling, once elected, they went right back to work for the wealthy. And now Americans are beginning to see the light.
Trump was supposed to be anti-elite. Once elected he filled his cabinet with elites. He surrounded himself with elites.
The two major political parties got greedy. But they are so addicted to money and power they are hopelessly hooked. They can't relate to average Americans. Their vision is clouded by greed.
It's just a matter of time before Americans will actually revolt. The politicians are unable to control their addiction and America will have no other choice but to vote them out. And we have Donald Trump to thank for accelerating their departure, and his.
Right off the bat, I just want to say that I am most definitely not predicting that Trump will be a failed president. While I have made no secret of my personal disdain for the man, I think that it is a huge mistake for anybody to underestimate him (which is something that I have been guilty of in the past, given that I thought HRC would win 322 electoral votes).
All of that being said, what I fear most about the prospect of a Trump presidency imploding is this: should he end up either resigning, being removed from office, or losing re-election, the GOP may very well descend into all-out civil war. The moderate Republicans and NeverTrumpers will essentially say "I told you so," while the die-hard Trump supporters will blame the "RINOs" for undermining Trump's presidency. Quite possibly, the GOP may very well end up splitting in two. And while it's true that the GOP rebounded relatively quickly after Nixon and GWB failed, I think that the Trump situation is different, because Nixon & GWB never had the hold on much of the GOP base the way Trump does.
Related to what I wrote above is that a failed Trump presidency could lead to a generational destruction of the GOP. If this happens and the Democrats become the dominant political party for the next few decades, the leftward shift of the courts & the culture will make four years of a HRC presidency seem tame by comparison. Indeed, this was an important reason why I could not bring myself to vote for Trump, even though I knew that HRC becoming president would give the far-left an opportunity to pack the SCOTUS & the lower courts with judges of their liking. Whatever good Trump may do policy wise over the next four years will be more than wiped out if he causes irreparable harm to the GOP in 2018 & beyond. (And even Trump's one big victory thus far--the appointment of Neil Gorsuch--remains an open question, as many fear that he will resemble Roberts & Kennedy far more than Thomas & Alito.)
I don't see it happening, because the Democrats are not unified either. Both parties are pretty much held together with scotch tape at this point. Republicans have the Trump wing and the Nevertrump wing, plus the evangelical wing and the libertarian wing (with various overlapping in that.) Democrats have the Sanderista wing, the pro-business/Clinton wing, then there is the SJW wing.
Right off the bat, I just want to say that I am most definitely not predicting that Trump will be a failed president. While I have made no secret of my personal disdain for the man, I think that it is a huge mistake for anybody to underestimate him (which is something that I have been guilty of in the past, given that I thought HRC would win 322 electoral votes).
All of that being said, what I fear most about the prospect of a Trump presidency imploding is this: should he end up either resigning, being removed from office, or losing re-election, the GOP may very well descend into all-out civil war. The moderate Republicans and NeverTrumpers will essentially say "I told you so," while the die-hard Trump supporters will blame the "RINOs" for undermining Trump's presidency. Quite possibly, the GOP may very well end up splitting in two. And while it's true that the GOP rebounded relatively quickly after Nixon and GWB failed, I think that the Trump situation is different, because Nixon & GWB never had the hold on much of the GOP base the way Trump does.
Related to what I wrote above is that a failed Trump presidency could lead to a generational destruction of the GOP. If this happens and the Democrats become the dominant political party for the next few decades, the leftward shift of the courts & the culture will make four years of a HRC presidency seem tame by comparison. Indeed, this was an important reason why I could not bring myself to vote for Trump, even though I knew that HRC becoming president would give the far-left an opportunity to pack the SCOTUS & the lower courts with judges of their liking. Whatever good Trump may do policy wise over the next four years will be more than wiped out if he causes irreparable harm to the GOP in 2018 & beyond. (And even Trump's one big victory thus far--the appointment of Neil Gorsuch--remains an open question, as many fear that he will resemble Roberts & Kennedy far more than Thomas & Alito.)
This, may be the silver lining of this experiment, the GOP really do need to dump the Tea Party members from their ranks. The Tea Party will still have their base of WASP's, but they are a shrinking demographic so losing them won't hurt the GOP if they go more moderate. The GOP's fiscal conservancy isn't necessarily an unpopular message, with the right candidate they could easily sway independents and crossover Democrats. The Democrats are having their own problems too, same issue, they need to get closer to center. This could be good, instead of a deeply divided Congress we may actually get a Congress who may work together.
I am old enough to remember the Carter administration, it was much more of a mess than what Trump has done thus far.
I admit I was in elementary school, but Carter didn't stun people daily with his ineptitude. The most we got from that was jokes about peanuts and Billy Beer.
And gas lines.
I do remember gas lines.
Seriously, that doesn't remotely compare to this train wreck.
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Don't even go there, every American voter took a risk at election date. no need to say "I told you so", I certainly am not going to do it to anybody.
