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Fair enough that no side is entirely innocent of wrong doing...
Also fair enough that human nature is to look the other way when it is they or their side that is doing wrong.
Politicians in our political system today have little choice but to be hopelessly partisan, or they don't live to see another political day, but "we the people" sure need to do better at political objectivity, critical thinking.
If we don't, we only serve to further fuel the partisan propaganda machines that continue to promote our divide with more BS rather than allow progress that can much better suit everyone's interests.
Unfortunately, if the comments in all these threads are any indication, we prefer the "fun and entertainment" of throwing mud in every direction rather than what patience, time and effort it takes to make any real sense out of all the nonsense.
I don't disagree that we can all stand to be more objective. That's why I continue to say that liberals/Democrats are not perfect, but I also think their issues are far less pronounced at the present time than they are on the conservative side. Just one example of that is in regards to social equality. You will very rarely, if ever, see legislation coming from the liberal side of the aisle that specifically tries to limit the personal choices of others. The only time you might see this is in terms of trying to limit active discrimination of minorities in health care, housing, employment and equal access, but that seems rather necessary if one believes that people should all be treated fairly under the law. There is no arbitrary or subjective "morality" legislation like trying to limit abortion, banning gay marriage, etc. that always come from conservatives. Anymore, this seems to originate from a fundamental difference between the two groups: Liberals tend to believe in the expansion of liberties (with some exceptions), and conservatives believe in the reduction of liberties (with some exceptions), and all subsequent actions can generally be tied to those base ideas. That's not to arbitrarily throw mud, but just what I see happening. Democrats and Republicans used to be the polar opposite they are now, so it's not a question of party exactly, but ideology.
A precedent has already been set with the Clintons.
You dens didn't put country before country when it came to the Clintons, so why should the Republicans?
I'm not a registered Democrat. What were the Clintons actually proven to have done wrong that Democrats ignored or put party first? Again, Republicans investigated Hillary endlessly and impeached Clinton, and all of that ended up going nowhere. NOT because Democrats wouldn't allow it, but because the actual evidence didn't support it. The Clintons being criminal masterminds is, anymore, solely a matter of faith rather than fact.
Clinton wasn't impeached over a blowjob....he was impeached for lying to congress and the nation about the sexual assault/harassment case against him
Clinton was/is a serial rapists
Bill definitely lied under oath about Monica, but there is no evidence that he ever sexually assaulted someone. This was all put to bed years ago, and the fact that it's still such a strongly-held belief in some circles is just a showing of bias.
when will the fascist liberals put country over party
all we have currently is hearsay, innuendos, accusations, and lies from the fascist liberals and their lapdogs of the press..... no one shred of evidence so far against trump
We have photos and FAA records of a Russian oligarchs plane on the tarmac in a small southern town next to Trumps's during the campaign. Twice.
We have trump's kids saying a large part of their business is with Russians. That means Russian lenders.
We have real estate records of Trump buying a house and it sitting empty for months.Then selling it to a Russian for twice what he paid. Then it was torn down. Must have had mold.
We have a bank known for money laundering in Sicily lending Trump money to pay off a lawsuit. It was saved from the Russians by Wilbur Ross.
And Trumps favorite advisors forgetting their meetings with Russian during and before the transition. And their earnings from Russians. Reminds me of Clarence Thomas forgetting to declare his wife made 600K consulting for the Koch Bros and the Heritage foundation.
I could go on. But it would just take the fun out of it when all falls into place.
You wanna compare a freaking bj to an international criminal conspiracy?
I'm talking about the fraud, and the coverup of the fraud by the Clintons.
Do you know that Bill, and Hillary were the only White Water insiders that didn't go to prison? Is that just a strange coincidence, or were the president, and first lady given special treatment?
Did you know that the Justice Department draw up sample indictments for Hillary for her role in the coverup?
Did you know that Bill Clinton was impeached, and disbarred for committing perjury?
Not to mention the espionage commited by Hillary, and her staff while she was SoS, or the overt pay for play.
Yeah, I'm not talking about a bj.
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81
I'm not a registered Democrat. What were the Clintons actually proven to have done wrong that Democrats ignored or put party first? Again, Republicans investigated Hillary endlessly and impeached Clinton, and all of that ended up going nowhere. NOT because Democrats wouldn't allow it, but because the actual evidence didn't support it. The Clintons being criminal masterminds is, anymore, solely a matter of faith rather than fact.
Even if you ignore the White Water fraud, and the espionage, Bill Clinton committed perjury, there was no question about that. He was impeached, and disbarred for it. The senate gave Bill a free pass, and didn't impeach, and remove him.
So even if you ignore everything else, Bill could, and should have been impeached for committing a crime, but was given a free pass by the Republicans in the senate.
Do you picture a scenario when FBI and special prosecutor come to Congress with evidence of major White House wrongdoings, whether it's collusion, obstruction, dirty money, whatever and repubs see it and do absolutely nothing? What's the remedy then? Obviously they can be voted out in 2018, but is that it? Can they be held criminally or legally liable later for being complicit in a sense that they allowed lawlessness to reign?
I don't think it's far fetched, given how protective they've been of Trump so far. They are clearly not interested in any investigations.
Well, so far, after 9 months, you have no evidence, so I'm not anticipating such a scenario. But I'm sure you people will do your best to create something out of nothing. It's what the Left does.
Too bad you were so unconcerned about wrong doing by the President when Obama was in office. I guess the question you have asked, if asked of you, you have answered for yourself; i.e., "No."
Bill definitely lied under oath about Monica, but there is no evidence that he ever sexually assaulted someone. This was all put to bed years ago, and the fact that it's still such a strongly-held belief in some circles is just a showing of bias.
there is a big difference between being a cheater...and what Bill Clinton is...a sexual harasser, sexual assaulter, and a rapist
Hillary is an enabler for a rapist.....
Most people( including myself) were supportive of he "stand by you man" when she was first Lady.... she lost all respect from women, when she didn't dump his ass upon leaving the whitehouse.
most of the world saw the truth...Clinton was a sexual predator and rapist
yes bill Clinton should be in jail for his assault against women
clinton was the commander in chief...UCMJ lists adultry as a crime
clinton was also a sexual harrasser, and sexual assaulter.....
clinton was impeached for lying under oath...not about monica, but about the previous sexual ASSAULT case
suggest you brush up on your clinton history
paula jones was a VICTIM of that molester clinton....before he became potus
lewisnki was the final puzzle piece..the sauce for the goose....clinton lied to protect himself...and he got caught
what was starrs original charter...to investigate the questionable death of vince foster..and whitewater.... Paula Jones, who was suing President Clinton over a sexual assault.
btw Clinton and his defense team then challenged Jones' right to bring a civil lawsuit against a sitting president for an incident that occurred prior to the defendant's becoming president. The Clinton defense team took the position that the trial should be delayed until the president was no longer in office, because the job of the president is unique and does not allow him to take time away from it to deal with a private civil lawsuit. The case went through the courts, eventually reaching the Supreme Court on January 13, 1997. On May 27, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against Clinton, and allowed the lawsuit to proceed
clinton entered into an out-of-court settlement, agreeing to pay Jones 900,000 dollars
and lets not forget Gennifer Flowers ,,,who he had had a 12-year relationship with .... Bill Clinton PUBLICLY denied having a relationship with Flowers ......yet...In his presidential deposition in January 1998, while denying Kathleen Willey's sexual accusations against him, Bill Clinton admitted that he had a sexual encounter with Flowers.
99% of liberals say "clinton was impeached because of a blowjob"
when in fact he was impeached based on a sexual harassment suit and his lying under oath
are you another mesmerized liberal woman hater , who doesn't believe Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey or Jenifer Flowers, or Paula Jones
clinton settled out of court on the Jones case, paying her nearly a million dollars
are you saying Juanita Broaddrick | Kathleen Willey | Paula Jones | Sandra Allen James | Eileen Wellstone | Christy Zercher | Carolyn Moffet | Helen Dowdy | Becky Brown | Regina Blakely Hopper | Monica Lewinsky | Elizabeth Ward Gracen | Gennifer Flowers | Connie Hamzy | Dolly Kyle Browning | Sally Miller (Sally Perdue) | Lencola Sullivan are all 100% liars???
Even if you ignore the White Water fraud, and the espionage, Bill Clinton committed perjury, there was no question about that. He was impeached, and disbarred for it. The senate gave Bill a free pass, and didn't impeach, and remove him.
So even if you ignore everything else, Bill could, and should have been impeached for committing a crime, but was given a free pass by the Republicans in the senate.
Ah, so it was Republicans, not Democrats, that looked the other way?
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