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Exactly. And we see this kind of response again and again and again. We get it. The ACA has flaws; flaws that Republicans have absolutely zero interest in addressing or fixing. Fine. Then let's move on to where we go from here.
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I never saw much interest by Democrats in fixing ACA flaws, either. What Democratic legislator proposed legislation that would have restored to me and my family the healthcare plans we had prior to the effective date of the ACA? BO assured us that would happen. Funny how Democrats expect Republicans to fix legislation that didn't get one Republican vote.
Exactly. And we see this kind of response again and again and again. We get it. The ACA has flaws; flaws that Republicans have absolutely zero interest in addressing or fixing. Fine. Then let's move on to where we go from here.
But you won't get an honest discussion about that because just like their representatives in Washington, they have no constructive ideas. All they're capable of is regurgitating the same old lame and nonproductive talking point responses which accomplish nothing.
Meanwhile, the Republicans are busy trying their hardest to take healthcare away from millions of people. But that's not important when there is political hay to be made. That is much more important.
If you voluntarily burn your house down, I am not obligated to help you build another. The ACA is not the problem of the GOP.
Well I was previously assured that if I liked my healthcare plan, I could keep my health care plan. That did not happen. I was promised $2500 annually in savings, that didn't happen. I am now expected to believe the current utterances from DC?
"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not."
Jonathan Gruber
Here's this nonsense. It goes like this: The ACA didn't do exactly what I was told it was going to do. Irregardless of how much worse the new bill is, we should just do it because the ACA didn't accomplish everything it set out to do.
There's a missing causal link between the ACA failing and the AHCA fixing any of its failings. It would actually make them worse. But the binary thinking of Cult 45 is ACA bad therefore anything else good.
I think it's fair to do in this case. After all, the 850% rise is from Obamacare rates.
Obamacare isn't sustainable, so something is going to give. There's no guarantee that any new plan is either humane or sustainable itself.
No, it's not. It's the increase that will happen over the cost of premiums right now if the GOP healthcare plan is enacted. It will effectively price the majority of people between the ages of 50 and 65 out of the market.
No, it's not. It's the increase that will happen over the cost of premiums right now if the GOP healthcare plan is enacted. It will effectively price the majority of people between the ages of 50 and 65 out of the market.
So, the 'premiums right now' have nothing to do with the ACA?
Taking a quick look at the article, what I'm seeing is basically a return to pre-ACA rates.
It was super-common for people in their 60's to pay $1000+/month for individual policies, at least I know quite a few people who were in that boat.
Here's this nonsense. It goes like this: The ACA didn't do exactly what I was told it was going to do. Irregardless of how much worse the new bill is, we should just do it because the ACA didn't accomplish everything it set out to do.
There's a missing causal link between the ACA failing and the AHCA fixing any of its failings. It would actually make them worse. But the binary thinking of Cult 45 is ACA bad therefore anything else good.
Actually, it goes like this ..... We lied to you stupid people about the ACA, but oh well. Now that it's a reality, you should not make any attempts to change it because it will suck even worse, and it will be Republicans that are at fault.
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