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Old 05-25-2017, 07:17 AM
 
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Any link with a title like that can hardly be an unbiased source. It's an opinion within an opinion.
that wasn't the actual title - that was merely the OP's warped ranting.

better source: http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/...pesticide-rule

 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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These people should be "tried and led to a firing squad" for their successive continuation of attacks against America, It's people, its Governance Systems and its Lands.

It took lost lives, and 10's and 100's of Millions of dollars and thousands of people's work, to create these protections over many decades and much learning... And these "money obsessed Republican" are a cancer that continues to attack America...

There is no civility within the minds of the Republican system and its constituency. No level of reason can justify their madness.
Ironically it was concerns about pesticides that started the EPA and Environmental statutes/regs in the first place.
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:30 AM
 
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In the preceding floor debate, the bill's supporters said the rule requiring a permit under the Clean Water Act before spraying pesticides is burdensome and duplicative. EPA already regulates pesticide safety under a different law that gives the agency authority to place restrictions on when and where spraying can occur.



This article explains the change in more detail, the prior permit was a requirement for spraying directly into water, general permits have few restrictions. I don't see how this is burdensome unless they want the ability to spray pesticides directly into water unregulated.


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H.R. 953 eliminates the EPA’s Pesticide General Permit, which requires a permit before spraying a pesticide directly into water. The overwhelming majority of pesticide applicators may apply for a general permit with very few restrictions on spraying, while only the largest-volume applicators must receive an individual permit. Exemptions to the permit requirement are available for human-health emergencies. No permit under the Clean Water Act is required for normal farming operations.

House Approves Bill to Eliminate Clean Water Act Pesticide Protections
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:35 AM
 
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These people should be "tried and led to a firing squad" for their successive continuation of attacks against America, It's people, its Governance Systems and its Lands.

It took lost lives, and 10's and 100's of Millions of dollars and thousands of people's work, to create these protections over many decades and much learning... And these "money obsessed Republican" are a cancer that continues to attack America...

There is no civility within the minds of the Republican system and its constituency. No level of reason can justify their madness.
Honestly, you hit the nail on the head. It's almost like they are on some secretive population control movement to purge the world of the sick, disabled, poor, and elderly... then I remember that most are pro-lifers so what gives? It's almost like we're governed by a bunch of Republican hypocrites. Oh wait, we are!
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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In the preceding floor debate, the bill's supporters said the rule requiring a permit under the Clean Water Act before spraying pesticides is burdensome and duplicative. EPA already regulates pesticide safety under a different law that gives the agency authority to place restrictions on when and where spraying can occur.
Exactly.
I dont think anyone whining about how this is to make things easier on big business has ever filed for a federal permit.

The environmental company I work for is required to get federal permits for some species collections in some areas. Its been over one year since our permit expired and the paperwork is still sitting on the desk at the federal agency. Its an ongoing permit that must be renewed every year. They say we are still covered but we are not listed with the federal registry and we lose client because they take sooooooo long to write a simple permit. One year is ridiculous. The permit does not affect how we do our job, it does not reduce or increase any restriction we already must follow. Its basically worthless in practicality. As are many of these federal "restrictions" and permits.
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:42 AM
 
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This article explains the change in more detail, the prior permit was a requirement for spraying directly into water, general permits have few restrictions. I don't see how this is burdensome unless they want the ability to spray pesticides directly into water unregulated.
if they still would need a permit to do so - and they indeed would - how would that be 'unregulated'?
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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if they still would need a permit to do so - and they indeed would - how would that be 'unregulated'?
This permit specifically addressed the spraying of prohibited pesticides on or near bodies of water, this is not addressed in the general permit. Spraying near bodies of water would be unregulated.


Here is the bill


https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...water-act.html
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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Do you guys like pesticides in your wells and drinking water?
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:52 AM
 
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Good, it was a stupid change.

We need to repeal the ban on DDT as well, but hey... progressives are dumb as stumps.
 
Old 05-25-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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Default Democrats Support Birth Defects and Dead Babies

For all you libs having coffee with your morning hissy-fit you see how that headline can also be written. Sounds like a lot of you are perfectly ok with little babies born with gross deformities due to Zika.

"The bill "eliminates a duplicative, expensive, unnecessary permitting process that helps free the resources for our states, counties and local governments better to combat the spread of Zika, West Nile virus and other diseases," said Gibbs, a member of the House Agriculture Committee"

Well, okay then, since the EPA already regs on the books, why do we need a second layer of redundant regulation? The article states "The EPA already regulates pesticide safety under a different law that gives the agency authority to place restrictions on when and where spraying can occur"

So why so much excitement when a duplicate regulation is up for repeal? Do you people really know what's going on or is this just your morning stoning of the Trump administration.
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