I still can't help but laugh at those that claim single payer healthcare is the answer (employment, drug)
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It's better to look at real world examples than right wing spin on a study. Yes, taxes will go up but are offset by a decline or elimination of private insurance premiums. I'd rather pay $500 (or pick your own $x) in taxes for guaranteed coverage than pay $500 for insurance that has limitations, denials, co-pays, annual deductibles, and life-time ceilings.
In Ontario, Canada, residents pay about 30% income tax (federal and provincial) including social security and healthcare taxes. This is about the same % that Americans pay on income taxes plus premiums. (not even accounting for the additional annual deductibles and co-pays in the US).
CA is the real world (and the world that I live in). When any of you can refute the findings of the report, do let me know. Hockey, feel free to direct your questions to the authors of the report.
Health care is expensive. Those younger, healthier folks who want cheap health insurance premiums are simply postponing the astronomic costs they will incur as they age and/or contract chronic illnesses. 70% of people in the US die from chronic illnesses and everyone, except the few who die from accidents or homicides, gets old. Yeah, you may not get a lot of use out of health insurance when you're young, but you will get a ton of use out of it later in life when you need it most and can least afford it.
Under the Trump care plan, when you reach age 60, an individual private healthcare plan with a $7000 a year deductible will likely cost you well over $2,000 or more a month in premiums. So, premiums and deductible combined will cost you $19,000 a year or more.
What the Republicans are offering you may leave you more beer money when you're young and healthy, but later in life, you and/or your spouse will most likely not be able to afford healthcare insurance (nor healthcare).
At some point, perhaps they'll be honest and finally admit that its not equitable and simply a pipe dream. Even the Liberals in California can't make it work using math. It will simply bankrupt the middle class. There's no reason to even debate it anymore.
Health care is expensive. Those younger, healthier folks who want cheap health insurance premiums are simply postponing the astronomic costs they will incur as they age and/or contract chronic illnesses.
What has future Republican me done for current Republican me? Nothing!
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What the Republicans are offering you may leave you more beer money when you're young and healthy, but later in life, you and/or your spouse will most likely not be able to afford healthcare insurance (nor healthcare).
Unless you're independently wealthy, and as the Republicans have convinced a good chunk of their electorate that they're merely temporarily embarrassed millionaires, well... It's a pretty impressive con.
CA is the real world (and the world that I live in). When any of you can refute the findings of the report, do let me know. Hockey, feel free to direct your questions to the authors of the report.
My questions were addressed to you because you are the one that chose this thread title (and used the words "the answer").
As I mentioned, nothing will work unless the cost side is addressed. The cost of healthcare is simply too expensive in this country, and that is going to affect any solution that is chosen (whether it is UHC, the ACA, the AHCA, or the system we used to have).
One reason UHC "works" in other places is because they aggressively address those costs. I'm not saying we "should" move to a UHC - but I don't think this study is fairly addressing the question because we can't assess any of this without controlling costs (which are not being controlled in the US' HC system).
I work at a Biotech company, and am cheering against my own best interests in this respect...
CA is the real world (and the world that I live in). When any of you can refute the findings of the report, do let me know. Hockey, feel free to direct your questions to the authors of the report.
Read the report not the right wing spin. The report says that universal heath care would cost about $200 billion per year. Yes, taxes would go up but are offset by no longer paying private insurance premiums.
$200 billion / 40 million population is $5,000/year or $400/month per person. With employers paying a large part of that, as they do today, the monthly cost to workers is even lower. This compares favorably to private insurance premiums, plus co-pays, plus annual deductibles.
I guess the USA is the most incompetent country in the developed world then, because all the other countries have managed to get it working.
Not incompetent; mercenary. We put our corporations and their profits ahead of our citizens.
A poster upthread stated that no system is going to work because our costs are so out of control--costs that other countries have regulated. Until we do that, yes, it won't work.
But it won't be done because our President and members of Congress side with the industry.
CA is the real world (and the world that I live in). When any of you can refute the findings of the report, do let me know. Hockey, feel free to direct your questions to the authors of the report.
California is not the only example though. I think that's more the point you're missing. It's like seeing on typo and assuming every word is spelled wrong.
A last point I'll mention is that regardless of the solution chosen, nothing will work unless the cost side of healthcare in the US is addressed. Our healthcare is too expensive, especially when juxtaposed against the costs in other countries for the same treatments/medicines/procedures.
And there you have it, although you can argue the only way to force down health costs is by providing a monopsony.
For various reasons, I just can't see a proper free market ever opening up in healthcare.
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