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Old 05-28-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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Most liberals on this thread, "it's critical to keep spending money on bases, hardware and weapons development to stop the red menace."

Geez, y'all must be organismic when you hear Reagan's name.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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Europe has a trade surplus with the U.S.:

U.S. exports to the EU: $270bn

EU exports to the U.S.: $417bn


Trump is whining constantly about the trade deficit. The trade deficit is financed by capital exports from Europe to the U.S. Capital flows in the same direction as the goods. These capital exports strengthen the U.S. economy. Europe invest much more in the U.S. than the U.S. invest in Europe.

Without the trade deficit the living standard in the U.S. would be lower. Americans would be forced to work even longer hours to compensate the missing goods.

In the fourth quarter 2016 the net international investment position of the U.S. was -$8,109,700,000,000. That's the amount the U.S. owes the rest of the world. Mathematically, every American owes about €25,000 to the rest of the world.

Every German do without the consumption of goods worth about $800 every year to make living in the U.S. a little bit more bearable.
So, by your numbers we are not only exporting money from the US for NATO but also in goods.

Yes, you are backing up my claim. Thanks.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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She better be careful. The rednecks over here might boycott BMW and Mercedes
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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The Left is the hawkish side? Is that one of your "alternative facts"? I don't actually believe that poster cares about military spending. It's about spending in Europe that he disagrees with. There are few to no Trump supporters who have come out against his budget.
Key GOP lawmakers are already signaling they won’t move forward with the president’s proposal.

Republicans pan Trump budget - POLITICO

You know what is funny about Trump budget.....Obama's proposed budget was voted down 99-0 in the senate and 414-2 in the house. In fact Obama never pass a single budget even when they had a super majority in both houses.
Liberals are weird and totally hypocritical.

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The Senate voted down down Obama budge 99-0.
A similar effort in the House, was rejected in the House 414-0.
Sessions told reporters that it was "stunning" that no one voted for the version of the Obama budget he put forward. "A sitting president of the United States, seeking reelection, can't lay out a plan that will gain a single vote in the House or Senate for the financial future of America," he said. "It speaks volumes
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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If you're wanting to cut military spending, but not on overseas bases and weapons, where are you wanting to cut it? Are you wanting to cut military benefits to the troops and close VA hospitals?

Where do you think most of these anti-missile systems and advanced aircraft are designed for?
You're not talking about cuts, though, not really. You're talking about abandoning an entire continent that we rely on for intelligence and joint military operations because you have it in your head that they're not paying enough. So instead of trying to work out a deal to get them to pay more, you're ready to take your missile systems and go home. That's incredibly irresponsible and naïve.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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So, by your numbers we are not only exporting money from the US for NATO but also in goods.

Yes, you are backing up my claim. Thanks.

Are you unable to read? There is a surplus in the goods and capital flows from Europe to the U.S. To pay for this the U.S. sends just $ banknotes. These $ banknotes are useless until the U.S. starts to export more goods and services to the rest of the world than it receives from abroad. To achieve a current account surplus Americans have to tighten their belts massively.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Warrior Country
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Trump is not the first to criticize Europeans for their lack of allocating funds for defense purposes. Both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton spoke of the need for Europeans to spend more on defense during the 2016 presidential campaign,
Don't confuse them with facts.

The I love Merkel crowd are too busy flip flopping and slamming every single thing that Trump has done today (or has ever done, or will ever do). & having a knee slapping good time slamming those who voted for him as a monolithic group of Truck driving, tobacco chewing white males who sit out back by the cement pond.

They wanted Comey's head on a platter....until Trump fired Comey & they wanted Euro NATO to pay their fair share....until Trump said that Euro Nato should pay their fair share.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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Merkel is destroying her own country. Trump should take it as a badge of honor that she is mad. Sorry the Europeans don't tell us what to do! America first!!
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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You're not talking about cuts, though, not really. You're talking about abandoning an entire continent that we rely on for intelligence and joint military operations because you have it in your head that they're not paying enough. So instead of trying to work out a deal to get them to pay more, you're ready to take your missile systems and go home. That's incredibly irresponsible and naïve.
There is already a deal, they just aren't abiding by it. They've been told many times, by many officials that they need to pay their agreed upon percentage and they continue to ignore it. It's about time we get more aggressive about it.

Here's the deal, either you pay as you agreed or we take your missile systems and go home. Hows that. After so many times of telling them you can't be nice about it.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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Work out a deal to get them to pay more???? There is already a deal, they just aren't abiding by it. They've been told many times, by many officials that they need to pay their agreed upon percentage and they continue to ignore it. It's about time we get more aggressive about it.
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