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Old 05-26-2017, 09:47 PM
 
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Not a dremocracy. There isn a difference, just like Marxist vs Socialist, the Socialist to Communism.
Regardless, history and US Government are not your strong points. Dont wikepdia me.
And one reason Trump won , was the SCOTUS pick. This was the biggest win, for conservatives in this country. Hillary was full blown Stalin if she would have won. Thank GOD SHE DIDNT

HOOYAH America ...
^^^ Are you still "celebrating" Trump's apparent win?
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:49 PM
 
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Some of you are just too much.
If anyone doesn't need the money, it would be a billionaire. But don't let that interfere with your fantasies of trying to find something to topple Trump.
I imagine you were gripped with anticipation when Maddow had Trumps taxes from some years back, only to find he paid more in taxes than most of your leftist idols.
It's not about Trump's money or his need for money. Shoot, he can bathe in liquid - gold - for all I care.

It's about what his finances reveal about his connections with others: Russia, the Mob, and so on. It's about the taxes he pays - or fails to pay. It's about his investments. It's about potential bribes, and that can cut both ways.

Got it now?
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:17 PM
 
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Still attempting to rationalize or justify why President-for-now Trump is evidently 'obsessed' with keeping his tax returns a secret.

Is there a Trumpspeak to English dictionary/translation app available?
i am not rationalizing anything, there is no legal requirement for a presidential candidate, or even a president for that matter, to release their tax returns, whether you like it or not.
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:25 PM
 
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i am not rationalizing anything, there is no legal requirement for a presidential candidate, or even a president for that matter, to release their tax returns, whether you like it or not.
However a criminal investigation can get them. And the sort of investigation being done makes them a no brainer.
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:16 AM
 
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Meuller was the longest-serving CIA Director.

If he wants to find something, he knows how to find it, and he has the where with all at his disposal to dig up anything on anyone.

We are talking about the combined resources of the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA. And, if he needs it, the GAO, Treasury Dept. and any of the government's accounting offices.

We aren't talking about H&R Block here, folks.
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Old 05-27-2017, 01:24 AM
 
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Meuller was the longest-serving CIA Director.

If he wants to find something, he knows how to find it, and he has the where with all at his disposal to dig up anything on anyone.

We are talking about the combined resources of the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA. And, if he needs it, the GAO, Treasury Dept. and any of the government's accounting offices.

We aren't talking about H&R Block here, folks.
Longest serving since the 10 year limit was placed on them. And he served 12. Because congress asked him to stay 2 extra years while they tried to find someone worthy to fill his shoes.
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Old 05-27-2017, 01:47 AM
 
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you do realize that there is NO requirement that tax returns be released to the public right? nixon did it back in the day and gained an advantage by doing so, and as a result future presidents, until trump refused, have released their tax returns. democrats pretty much got a pass on things that were iffy at best, where as republicans got hammered for completely legal items, witness what happened to romney with perfectly legal off shore bank accounts, where as clinton got some light shown on their foundation, including huge money transfers to the middle east banks, but no real notice was taken of that now was it?



you are making assumptions of things that did not happen. trump has been investigated for russian connections since july 2016, and to date ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IMPROPER has been found, even though several agencies have been looking into this.

and it all started with a made up dossier by the clinton campaign that was leaked to the press on the sly, and the press even rejected that crap.
First of all, EVERYONE knows this. As long as you think it will work out well for the electorate when it is a Democrat we'll go with that! All the other stuff is pretty irrelevant to what I posted , mostly "the other guy did it too" type stuff.

Secondly, "you do realize" that first comes the investigation, then the evidence. Right?
And when a lot of the potential testimony may come from classified sources , it will not be all over the front page at this point.

There may be evidence, there may be insufficient evidence, there may be none. Neither of us will know untill/unless Congress/DOJ makes it public.

The part that is amusing to me is the many ways that Trump has made it worse for himself. While he had the "right" to fire Comey, he probably should have waited. While he has the right to publicly bash Federal judges, the DOJ, The US intelligence agencies and the media, none of that is the work of a cool or shrewd operator! And THAT all goes to competence.
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Old 05-27-2017, 02:01 AM
 
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What a fool you are sir. AMT is a middle class tax. It's to ensure people that makes over six figures that no matter what deductions they use they have to pay a certain amount due to their pay scale.

Any wealthy folks that get their incomes from capital gains pay a lower rate even with AMT factored in.

My business allows me to structure my pay anyway I want, I can pay myself a dollar while the business rakes in millions and I can tell people that I am a millionaire while I only pay taxes on $1 since that's what I chose to report as my designated salary.

So how does that the AMT hit rich businesses?

The only reason Trump has direct income is he has a paycheck as producer on TV shows, endorsement deals, where companies pay him directly and he's obligated to report them subject to AMT.

AMT is the worst thing for middle class and small businesses. It doesn't matter you submit a complete loss if your house was destroyed and no insurance, you can't deduct that against your income. But as a business owner I can deduct ALL business losses against income and report a loss and pay zero taxes.
Wow, just wow!

You think that people with no home insurance should be able to bill the taxpayers for their loss?
You roll the dice, you take your chances. Not real big on personal responsibility, eh?

Trump got hit with AMT because he used every loophole in the book to not pay taxes. And that is exactly what AMT seeks to prevent. Now he wants to do away with that too.

AMT prevents individuals and entities from using loopholes to not pay federal tax. Though it can have unintended consequences.

My initial comment directly relates to the fact that the release of Trump's return sheds valuable light on a potential motivation or conflict-of-interest. Something you ignored in order to proceed with your rant. I like to know when the people in charge of the rules have personal reasons to benefit from changing them. Not you?

The debate over changing or eliminating AMT is an entirely different subject.
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Old 05-27-2017, 05:14 AM
 
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i am not rationalizing anything, there is no legal requirement for a presidential candidate, or even a president for that matter, to release their tax returns, whether you like it or not.
Mr. Trump is President for now, however his obsession with keeping his tax returns a secret goes back literally decades. Before this temporary 'gig' as US President, as head of a family boutique business & fiefdom, he was equally secretive about financial matters & documents, etc. commonly used to verify a person's wealth, ability to pay back a loan, etc.

Then, as now, he desires or feels entitled to the honors, without having to do the required work.

He wanted to be on Forbes, or whomever's, list of the wealthiest folks in the world, & yet bucked providing the necessary evidence to back up the claim of net worth. His expectation that folks were supposed to just 'take his word' on these matters was unrealistic, even if he hadn't long ago ruined his street cred. I.e., his 'word' meant little to nothing. After all, he didn't even honor written contractual agreements, how was a reasonable person supposed to simply take his 'word' on anything?

So he wants the honor of being on the 'wealthiest list' without cooperating or providing evidence. This is known as the 'typical Trump move', & was old several decades ago.

His approach to the US Presidency is similar. It's a farce.

Personally, it means little to nothing to me if you'd like to continue with rationalizing his obsession with keeping his tax returns a secret. Feel free. PT Barnum's 'take' comes to mind.
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Old 05-27-2017, 05:27 AM
 
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However a criminal investigation can get them. And the sort of investigation being done makes them a no brainer.
The common sense disclosure, that "past performance of money managers has no bearing on their future performance" is typically used when performing the necessary 'due diligence' required in any big decision involving financial transactions. The fact that Mr. Trump sought to avoid or prevent a proper vetting is, a "typical Trump move."

That's gonna be off the table now.
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