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fast forward until trump is done, he's gonna be the top worst, then obama, and bush forgotten.
The simple reason is that everyone remembers their misgivings about recent years.
So, random people's opinions are now the basis for a POTUS effectiveness? It is fine to say that polls indicates the opinion of a POTUS, but they do not really measure real world effectiveness.
These same people should be polled to see how much they know about the past 20 years in absolute terms. THAT would be an eye-opener. Basic questions on the economy, foreign affairs and domestic affairs, etc.
One thing for certain, Obama OWNED the GOP, his health care plan has set the bar on healthcare and FORCED the GOP to address the issue. Decades from now whatever health care policies are in place, they will be the result of Obama's initiative. The GOP is now forced to pull the rug out from under their own constituents, come up with a truly better plan or face the blowback.
Those same experts who remained silent when Obama took the National Debt from 9 Trillion to 19 Trillion in 8 years....and we as a country have Nothing to Show for it !!
My stylish first wife who never encountered a store or a credit card that she didn't like....couldn't have p*ssed thru 10 Trillion dollars like Barry did. He was like the dude on welfare who hit the 4 million dollar lotto.....& was back on welfare in 8 months.
He had a nice smile though.
You seem to forget that President Obama inherited a $10 Trillion debt from Dubya the minute he was elected. Another fact absent from your assertion was that Dubya never put the true costs of the Wars in Iraq & Afghanistan since they were never part of his budget but were part of Supplemental Appropriation Bills submitted every year :
"For these wars, we have relied on supplemental appropriations for far longer than in the case of past conflicts," says Steven Kosiak of the CSBA, one of Washington's top defense-budget analysts. "Likewise, we have relied on borrowing to cover more of these costs than we have in earlier wars — which will likely increase the ultimate price we have to pay." That refusal to spell out the full cost can lead to unwise spending increases elsewhere in the federal budget or unwarranted tax cuts.
"A sound budgeting process forces policymakers to recognize the true costs of their policy choices," Kosiak adds. "Not only did we not raise taxes, we cut taxes and significantly expanded spending."
Obama's budget for 2010 included the price tag for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When Obama finally put the true costs of both Wars on the books the debt balloned. In addition Dubya never funded Medicare Part D / Prescription Bill that had to be paid for.
Stop blaming Obama for the disasterous fiscal policies Dubya and the GOP created with their reckless spending , unpaid tax cuts in the middle of two wars and the horrific economy they created that President Obama saved us from.
It's the slowest economic recovery since records were kept.
Not a single year with 3% GDP growth.
That sucks!
Bill Clinton refused to regulate derivatives because Rubin, Summers and Raines told him to leave them unregulated (it was what the big banks wanted).
No Bill Clinton...no financial crisis!
So your contention is that Bush and the GOP had their hands tied while this was all happening for eight years and could not make the same changes or react in any way? Bush, Greenspan, et al could not regulate these derivatives.
Clinton was out in 2000, the financial crisis blew up in 2008. Reconcile that.
And explain why the GOP is trying to roll back Dodd-Frank, which does regulate derivatives. Trump vowed while campaigning to eliminate Dodd-Frank.
I have news for you, Trump will not achieve a 3% annual GDP rate either. Not possible with our dismal population growth. And his spending plans coupled with tax cuts are seen by everyone who has analyzed them as yugely deficit bloating.
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You seem to forget that President Obama inherited a $10 Trillion debt from Dubya the minute he was elected. Another fact absent from your assertion was that Dubya never put the true costs of the Wars in Iraq & Afghanistan since they were never part of his budget but were part of Supplemental Appropriation Bills submitted every year :
"For these wars, we have relied on supplemental appropriations for far longer than in the case of past conflicts," says Steven Kosiak of the CSBA, one of Washington's top defense-budget analysts. "Likewise, we have relied on borrowing to cover more of these costs than we have in earlier wars — which will likely increase the ultimate price we have to pay." That refusal to spell out the full cost can lead to unwise spending increases elsewhere in the federal budget or unwarranted tax cuts.
"A sound budgeting process forces policymakers to recognize the true costs of their policy choices," Kosiak adds. "Not only did we not raise taxes, we cut taxes and significantly expanded spending."
Obama's budget for 2010 included the price tag for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When Obama finally put the true costs of both Wars on the books the debt balloned. In addition Dubya never funded Medicare Part D / Prescription Bill that had to be paid for.
Stop blaming Obama for the disasterous fiscal policies Dubya and the GOP created with their reckless spending , unpaid tax cuts in the middle of two wars and the horrific economy they created that President Obama saved us from.
Yes, 2009 was a Bush/GOP budget, 2010 was chock full of legacy costs and GOP initiated TARP spending and cost associated with the credit crisis. Things tapered off significantly after that.
Certain folks need to understand what is discretionary and non-discretionary in the budget. What a POTUS can actually control.
I have asked many people who fail to understand where the money goes to identify the "Obama" policies that added $10 Trillion to the debt. And what was included to accommodate the GOP. For some reason no one ever responds.
Fact is that after Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Education, Defense spending and interest on the debt (none of which are "Obama's) , the rest of government spending is split evenly between the two parties desires to bribe their constituents (farm bills, etc).
Pole is too old. As other poster has said. Trump is going to be the worst. He is headed for a collision course with impeachment. Why? Because he is a super sensitive man-child who cant stay off the cell phone. He is making enemies of former friends and goes out of his way to make friends with strong arm dictators we don't want to know.
He is a bully who encourages violence at his rallies. Why have rallies when your not running for President? Who is paying for these things? All to build this presidents ego. He is giving secrets away to the Russians and can't keep his mouth shut with our enemies.
Allies? Who is left. He insults NATO, Germany, The UK, Australia and is working on France as we speak.
Conversely he praises Putin & Duterte. His followers , that have called Democrats "pinkos" for decades, cannot assimilate this. They argue that we "should be friends with Russia"!
When Trump got to France, did he tell them he "just got back from Europe"?
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