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I'm not saying people like you don't exist. I'm saying that those are not the driving forces here.
I agree with you, just think the part the politics plays is a bit larger than you seem to believe. Combining gratuitous far left politics with highlight shows that don't even show highlights is just a bad combo.
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I agree with you, just think the part the politics plays is a bit larger than you seem to believe. Combining gratuitous far left politics with highlight shows that don't even show highlights is just a bad combo.
politics in sports only matters to political people.
If you dont care about politics, i doubt you would care about it when its mentioned on a sports show.
1. What you said, cord cutting.
2. Ridiculous TMZ obsession over whatever pet they choose to love at the moment (Manti Teo, Tim Tebow, Lonzo Ball. etc)
3. Infusion of politics into sports.
I like your list. I have a different one.
1. Infusion of politics into sports. Even the cooler heads at ESPN admit that's created a problem
2. Cord cutting. Absolutely.
3. ESPN has just gotten boring. They went left to be "relevant" and forgot about sports.
1. Infusion of politics into sports. Even the cooler heads at ESPN admit that's created a problem
2. Cord cutting. Absolutely.
3. ESPN has just gotten boring. They went left to be "relevant" and forgot about sports.
Cord cutting is beyond a doubt #1. The rest, while possibly causing some people to cancel, are largely statistical noise comparatively.
politics in sports only matters to political people.
If you dont care about politics, i doubt you would care about it when its mentioned on a sports show.
This is 100 percent not true. I want to tune into sports to get away from the 24/7 political circus, not have it infused into my escape.
ESPN could be gay marriage advocating, pro choice loving, anti blm'r, pro israel crusaders and I wouldn't want to watch them if thats what was being discussed when I am trying to watch baseball highlights.
politics in sports only matters to political people.
If you dont care about politics, i doubt you would care about it when its mentioned on a sports show.
I think you are both right generally but I think you downplay the political angle a little bit. Clay Travis has been all over this, of course you can disagree with his conclusions, but he generally backs them up:
Changing demographics play a role too. For most sports I attend in person or watch on TV (which is basically college football, professional baseball and college basketball) the people in the stands are largely white and aging (except the student sections obviously for college games). They are also the demographic I think that traditionally has been cable subscribers. And they skew more conservative on average, as Travis points out above. They are dying off or tuning out. Millennials are cutting cords - maybe some of it is political but probably not the biggest factor. They aren't making the money other generations did and don't really have the patience to sit and watch games when they can do multiple things and stream highlights or parts of games. Politics plays a role I believe, although the primary one I think is simply changing demographics. I don't know who is going to be sitting in these huge football stadiums in 20 years. Will be a lot of empty seats I predict.
I think you are both right generally but I think you downplay the political angle a little bit. Clay Travis has been all over this, of course you can disagree with his conclusions, but he generally backs them up:
Changing demographics play a role too. For most sports I attend in person or watch on TV (which is basically college football, professional baseball and college basketball) the people in the stands are largely white and aging (except the student sections obviously for college games). They are also the demographic I think that traditionally has been cable subscribers. And they skew more conservative on average, as Travis points out above. They are dying off or tuning out. Millennials are cutting cords - maybe some of it is political but probably not the biggest factor. They aren't making the money other generations did and don't really have the patience to sit and watch games when they can do multiple things and stream highlights or parts of games. Politics plays a role I believe, although the primary one I think is simply changing demographics.
Clay Travis is right on the money. This quote was from a month or so back when the got rid of a bunch of people.
"Middle America wants to pop a beer and listen to sports talk, they don’t want to be lectured about why Caitlyn Jenner is a hero, Michael Sam is the new Jackie Robinson of sports, and Colin Kaepernick is the Rosa Parks of football. ESPN made the mistake of trying to make liberal social media losers happy and as a result lost millions of viewers. "
Cord cutting is beyond a doubt #1. The rest, while possibly causing some people to cancel, are largely statistical noise comparatively.
I get all you lefties out there want everyone to believe your cherished liberal leanings aren't alienating viewers, and you can post any number of Disney execs who say no no no politics have nothing to do with out ratings slump, but ESPN employees disagree with you.
"Prominent ESPN figures are admitting there’s a problem with the politics. Highly-respected anchorman Bob Ley recently said about ESPN, that”the one place we have miles to go is diversity of thought” while ESPN Public Editor Jim Brady confessed in a letter on its website last December: “Internally, there’s a feeling among many staffers — both liberal and conservative — that the company’s perceived move leftward has had a stifling effect on discourse inside the company and has affected its public-facing products. Consumers have sensed that same leftward movement, alienating some."
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I get all you lefties out there want everyone to believe your cherished liberal leanings aren't alienating viewers, and you can post any number of Disney execs who say no no no politics have nothing to do with out ratings slump, but ESPN employees disagree with you.
"Prominent ESPN figures are admitting there’s a problem with the politics. Highly-respected anchorman Bob Ley recently said about ESPN, that”the one place we have miles to go is diversity of thought” while ESPN Public Editor Jim Brady confessed in a letter on its website last December: “Internally, there’s a feeling among many staffers — both liberal and conservative — that the company’s perceived move leftward has had a stifling effect on discourse inside the company and has affected its public-facing products. Consumers have sensed that same leftward movement, alienating some."
ESPN is on the basic or second level package of just about every cable network. So if ESPN is losing subscribers, then everyone is.
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