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Old 05-28-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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My thinking anyone on welfare is working class....I interpreted the question to mean specifically the working class in the rust-belt...not all working class...just those.

And the OP has a point...it is true that unemployed in more urban centers who need govt. assistance are portrayed as lazy and not willing to work.

But somehow those unemployed in rural areas are the forgotten and need the federal govt. to set jobs up for them.
Can you provide a specific example of one person doing this?

 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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Excuses are free. Actions require investment.
Circular reasoning requires just an agenda. Show me a circular reasoning piece and I'll show you a guy on the mission. What is yours? Just feeling narcissistic, what else?
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
My thinking anyone on welfare is working class....I interpreted the question to mean specifically the working class in the rust-belt...not all working class...just those.

And the OP has a point...it is true that unemployed in more urban centers who need govt. assistance are portrayed as lazy and not willing to work.

But somehow those unemployed in rural areas are the forgotten and need the federal govt. to set jobs up for them.
"Just those" You are defending stereotyping.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
My thinking anyone on welfare is working class....I interpreted the question to mean specifically the working class in the rust-belt...not all working class...just those.

And the OP has a point...it is true that unemployed in more urban centers who need govt. assistance are portrayed as lazy and not willing to work.

But somehow those unemployed in rural areas are the forgotten and need the federal govt. to set jobs up for them.
To be more specific, they need government intervention to help create high-paying jobs that don't require additional education.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:50 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Poor/low income whites believe that the only thing stopping them from taking their rightful place on top of the totem pole is black and brown people. They are masters at playing the blame game as you can even see on this very forum.

But the Republican party need these people to win elections so every two to four years they rattle their cage with the same rhetoric...gun rights, welfare reform (which a huge percentage of these people are on but think that welfare reform means kicking black and brown off only), affirmative action (which benefits white women more than any other group), crime and drugs (the unspoken heroine epidemic in rural white America which no one seems to want to discuss).

So the reason that lower and working class whites aren't required or asked to lift themselves up is because they don't believe that they need to do so. They just need to get 'others' out of their way and then people with 10th grade educations will all have jobs in factories and coal mines making $80k plus per year.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
My thinking anyone on welfare is working class....I interpreted the question to mean specifically the working class in the rust-belt...not all working class...just those.

And the OP has a point...it is true that unemployed in more urban centers who need govt. assistance are portrayed as lazy and not willing to work.

But somehow those unemployed in rural areas are the forgotten and need the federal govt. to set jobs up for them.
Pretty easy, people in cities live where the jobs/clinics/programs are, many rural areas have been depleted of jobs have no health clinic, etc. They have much fewer options.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Ever see Deliverance....too much inbreeding.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Originally Posted by calipoppy View Post
Poor/low income whites believe that the only thing stopping them from taking their rightful place on top of the totem pole is black and brown people. They are masters at playing the blame game as you can even see on this very forum.

But the Republican party need these people to win elections so every two to four years they rattle their cage with the same rhetoric...gun rights, welfare reform (which a huge percentage of these people are on but think that welfare reform means kicking black and brown off only), affirmative action (which benefits white women more than any other group), crime and drugs (the unspoken heroine epidemic in rural white America which no one seems to want to discuss).

So the reason that lower and working class whites aren't required or asked to lift themselves up is because they don't believe that they need to do so. They just need to get 'others' out of their way and then people with 10th grade educations will all have jobs in factories and coal mines making $80k plus per year
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This poster sums it up perfectly. Hence all the screaming about deporting brown people.

ONCE that happens - the rust belt middle class will return to their former glory.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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Are you defending stereotyping or attempting to make excuses for the OP's stereotyping?
Neither. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the right, who have no problem lumping all in minorities in cities into one basket (they're all lazy, expecting handouts, won't relocate to where there is work), but cry foul when the same is applied to a different non-minority population in another region of the country.

I don't think the OP was stereotyping, I think he was trying to make the point about how stereotyping is selectively applied. And your outrage about it being applied to working class whites reinforced that point.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Originally Posted by calipoppy View Post
Poor/low income whites believe that the only thing stopping them from taking their rightful place on top of the totem pole is black and brown people. They are masters at playing the blame game as you can even see on this very forum.

But the Republican party need these people to win elections so every two to four years they rattle their cage with the same rhetoric...gun rights, welfare reform (which a huge percentage of these people are on but think that welfare reform means kicking black and brown off only), affirmative action (which benefits white women more than any other group), crime and drugs (the unspoken heroine epidemic in rural white America which no one seems to want to discuss).

So the reason that lower and working class whites aren't required or asked to lift themselves up is because they don't believe that they need to do so. They just need to get 'others' out of their way and then people with 10th grade educations will all have jobs in factories and coal mines making $80k plus per year.
Wow, that is a sweeping stereotype of what "poor/low income whites believe". Did you take a poll to come to this conclusion?
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