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Old 05-28-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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Circular reasoning requires just an agenda. Show me a circular reasoning piece and I'll show you a guy on the mission. What is yours? Just feeling narcissistic, what else?
When did the rejection of self-pity become narcissism?

"I would do better if the man weren't keeping me down."

 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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Neither. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the right, who have no problem lumping all in minorities in cities into one basket (they're all lazy, expecting handouts, won't relocate to where there is work), but cry foul when the same is applied to a different non-minority population in another region of the country.

I don't think the OP was stereotyping, I think he was trying to make the point about how stereotyping is selectively applied. And your outrage about it being applied to working class whites reinforced that point.
Of course you are defending stereotyping and additionally rationalizing that stereotyping is acceptable because of x,y,z reasons.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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Can you provide a specific example of one person doing this?
I will next time it happens. I'm not going to go over threads of material to provide an example.

I do think that those coming to the defense of this portion of working class shows how different we perceive them in our society.

Rarely do people defend those in Detroit who are unemployed.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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Serious question. Why aren't we complaining about how their communities don't value education? Why don't we expect them to retrain? Why don't we expect them to relocate, in search of work? Why do we sacrifice the water we drink and the very air we breathe so that a few thousand of them might enter the middle class?
Why don't people like you leave your little racially segregated white neighborhood in whatever blue county you live in and see the rest of the country?
In case you didn't know, the rust belt was always blue but since the Democrats are idiots and support corporate shills like Hillary, they lose!
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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I will next time it happens. I'm not going to go over threads of material to provide an example.

I do think that those coming to the defense of this portion of working class shows how different we perceive them in our society.

Rarely do people defend those in Detroit who are unemployed.
I won't be holding my breath.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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Poor/low income whites believe that the only thing stopping them from taking their rightful place on top of the totem pole is black and brown people. They are masters at playing the blame game as you can even see on this very forum.

But the Republican party need these people to win elections so every two to four years they rattle their cage with the same rhetoric...gun rights, welfare reform (which a huge percentage of these people are on but think that welfare reform means kicking black and brown off only), affirmative action (which benefits white women more than any other group), crime and drugs (the unspoken heroine epidemic in rural white America which no one seems to want to discuss).

So the reason that lower and working class whites aren't required or asked to lift themselves up is because they don't believe that they need to do so. They just need to get 'others' out of their way and then people with 10th grade educations will all have jobs in factories and coal mines making $80k plus per year.
Generally not true. Working class whites are much more jealous of the white underclass collecting alleged welfare windfalls, individual bootstrapping is huge among white working class.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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Of course you are defending stereotyping and additionally rationalizing that stereotyping is acceptable because of x,y,z reasons.
Wow, are you truly that incapable of understanding my posts, or is this willful ignorance? I'm not defending stereotyping, I'm pointing out how selectively it is used against only groups you don't like. If you are not able to understand that, there's nothing more I can say.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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Poor/low income whites believe that the only thing stopping them from taking their rightful place on top of the totem pole is black and brown people. They are masters at playing the blame game as you can even see on this very forum.

But the Republican party need these people to win elections so every two to four years they rattle their cage with the same rhetoric...gun rights, welfare reform ...
Wedge issues.

The Republican party masters at the technique.

They must master it, because if everyone voted in their own best interest the party would not win anything. Mega businesses and the mega rich control the party, ordinary folks must necessarily be confused so that they will support the Republican agenda.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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For the record, I live in the quintessential Appalachian rust belt city. I see the trials these people face, but they are perceived as the noble forgotten, where minorities are perceived as lazy leeches. Huge double-standard. And as for the person who said I stereotyped them as polluters, I did no such thing. I simply alluded to the fact that we seem to be willing to do serious environmental harm just to create a handful of high-paying jobs for the unskilled and uneducated.
 
Old 05-28-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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Wedge issues.

The Republican party masters at the technique.

They must master it, because if everyone voted in their own best interest the party would not win anything. Mega businesses and the mega rich control the party, ordinary folks must necessarily be confused so that they will support the Republican agenda.
The mega rich control both parties.

Many people who support each party are too easily duped by rhetoric to see this.
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