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Old 05-29-2017, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Most legal experts agree...as long as a President is in office...he cannot be charged or tried in any US court. Impeachment is the only recourse available if a President is thought to have violated the law.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/u...=msft_msn&_r=0
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Old 05-29-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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But, your link goes on to say that, basically, once he gets impeached & removed (or when his term is over, for that matter, probably), he sure can be...

"The closest the Constitution comes to addressing the issue is in this passage, from Article I, Section 3: “Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.”

"This much seems clear: The president and other federal officials may be prosecuted after they leave office, and there is no double jeopardy protection from prosecution if they are removed following impeachment."

bummer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/u...=msft_msn&_r=1

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Old 05-29-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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But, your link goes on to say that, basically, once he gets impeached (or when his term is over, for that matter, probably), he sure can be...

"The closest the Constitution comes to addressing the issue is in this passage, from Article I, Section 3: “Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.”

"This much seems clear: The president and other federal officials may be prosecuted after they leave office, and there is no double jeopardy protection from prosecution if they are removed following impeachment."

bummer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/u...=msft_msn&_r=1
This is true..and probably why Ford pardoned Nixon.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:09 PM
 
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This is true..and probably why Ford pardoned Nixon.
Yes, I agree. And, if the prez is found to have done something indictable, he would very likely end up being impeached and removed. If not removed, the indictment can wait for his term to end. It'll be there, waiting for him!
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:13 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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But, your link goes on to say that, basically, once he gets impeached (or when his term is over, for that matter, probably), he sure can be...

"The closest the Constitution comes to addressing the issue is in this passage, from Article I, Section 3: “Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.”

"This much seems clear: The president and other federal officials may be prosecuted after they leave office, and there is no double jeopardy protection from prosecution if they are removed following impeachment."

bummer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/u...=msft_msn&_r=1
Even the link doesn't say what you state in your first sentence. Impeached does not mean removed.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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Most legal experts agree...as long as a President is in office...he cannot be charged or tried in any US court. Impeachment is the only recourse available if a President is thought to have violated the law.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/u...=msft_msn&_r=0
The last president to be impeached, never left the WH until after his 8 years.....

And did you even comprehend the last sentence in you post?

"If the president is THOUGHT to have violated the law"? Now you just have to think they violated the law....


WOW......
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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The President is not above the law.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:24 PM
 
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The last president to be impeached, never left the WH until after his 8 years.....

And did you even comprehend the last sentence in you post?

"If the president is THOUGHT to have violated the law"? Now you just have to think they violated the law....


WOW......
*sigh* Technical anyone? Does your correction change anything about the post?

I used the term Impeachment because guilt is not a forgone conclusion..if you like..I shall amend--if after impeachment the Senate find a true bill on any of the charges--the President shall be removed and and thus subject to the usual vagaries of the criminal justice system.

Yes, since you brought up Bill Clinton, thought to have violated the law..obviously he did not..as atrue bill was not brought---and he was not indicted when he left office.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:24 PM
 
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Even the link doesn't say what you state in your first sentence. Impeached does not mean removed.
I went back and added 'removed". That better?
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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This is true..and probably why Ford pardoned Nixon.
It is precisely why he pardoned Nixon.

From his Pardon Proclamation:
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As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.

It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.
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