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Originally Posted by Something Needs To Change
A question then from a teen whose background is Religious / Conservative. What are your view[s] concerning the recent passage of President Trump's repeal of the Johnson Amendment through executive order and the effect upon future legislation concerning Church's right to support as well as endorse politicians sympathetic to moralistic stances against what is considered sexual immoral protections from the pulpit?
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The ’Splainer: What is the Johnson Amendment and why did Trump target it?
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Though this hasn't been brought up, however since the poll asks views that edges toward a legislature stance I thought asking such a question is not off-topic but very much on topic especially important to those younger in the reading audience. |
It's good that you addressed the Johnson Act in this reference of subject content.
The "Evangelical's donated "HEAVILY" to the Trump campaign. (The vast majority of
white evangelicals (
81 percent) voted for Trump.) This has demonstrated to the Republicans that this is a vast amount of money that can be made into a Super PAC !!!!! What ever they want, he is trying to Deliver, then one has to consider the position of Mike Pence, and his religiosity, that not only means big $$$ donations, but big "voice".
It has
caused a big rift between the "Evangelicals" and the "Nones"
It has placed the Religious institution in a very big challenging situation for not only national election, but regional and local elections.
The Religious Right, has long wanted to push their ideological religious aspects to the forefront, when one considers the number of Muslims is rising, it has created an infused challenge within religious ranks on an even higher political scale, because now, they can openly become and acknowledge force as a Super Pac.
As to the nation and the challenges that are within the public arena regarding homosexual, transgender and the institution of marriage which now includes homosexuals within the spectrum of marriages and the national issue regarding abortions.
The abolition of the Johnson Act, pushes more Political Power to the Right to collectively push their money behind their voice, to bolster the messages of their agenda. This blurs the line between "Religion and State", where the separation is forced more into name sake division, but not in political practicality. It becomes another vehicle where Big Donor's could not only give more in contribution, they could influence mass blocks of voters by these means, while leaving the status as Non-Profits in place. The Agenda has many elements, now add that in with the Right Leaning filling of Supreme Court positions... then one can clearly see the push. Already, it goes deeper, if one truly understand the value of what a Supreme Court Appointee represents in the terms of "raw dollars", as well as party agenda.
One can look for a strong push to Overturn Roe Vs Wade.
For Trump -"ANYTHING" that has any reference to MONEY... he will side with it and to him there is no concept of ethics as to the Separation of Church and State, its a matter of money and power. If people realize
if they go even deeper in thought, its directly in line with the mentality of the Confederacy,
((( at some point, Americans will awaken and realize that the Confederates never ceded to defeat in principle, they only did a cursory cessation of battles on the weapons gun engaged battlefields, they took their "war" into congress", where it would be in plain sight and the people would not recognize what it is, because it was so obvious but not defined in overt terms. their policy agenda has not changed. They, as is Trump, pushing for "States Rights" to Usurp "Federal Governance", and the ideals of the Antebellum Mentality is forefront in their Republican Aspiration and has been for decades. They first tried many party postures, including as Southern Democrats, but by 1969, they moved their platform to the Republican party, "a political flip" which further threw the people off from being aware to see the dynamic for what it is: "Confederate Battles in the New Battle Ground of Congress". They knew they could not win on a military battlefield, but they could continue to fight in the ideologies they could promote in policy and legal battles and legislation)))
People have to look at things and gather their ability
to discern that they may know what they are viewing, so they can understand
how to see.
The KKK pushes their
"brand" of Religiosity, it is infused with all the ideals that are too part of the white evangelicals and their
"brand", the discerning elements of distinctions is, the Evangelicals are more covert in how they engage religious structure in their agenda promotion, where the KKK is more overt and belligerent with a tone of bias, bigotry and racism of direct adversarial promotion of their "brand" of religiosity .
I spoke in
another post about the 10 Commandment and the Rules which is a foundational elements in Religion. The Matter is, with the broad range of denominational versions of Christianity within
the Evangelicals... becomes far too explosive to become PAC's. it is like the creation of Religious Denominations within politics that infuses religion at the core of the political arena... this does not just impact the Federal system, but pushes it as a conflicting challenge within every precinct.
Trump did not think this through, "he took the money and made promise" and opened something that Johnson had very solid foundational reason to promote the Johnson Act. The elements of "The Great Society" was not done with the Callousness that Trump's Make American Great, AGAIN" madness is promoting. The "AGAIN" part was and is a significant element of his slogan, it in and of itself refers to a time of great divisiveness in society, where Segregationist Madness was a dominant force, but it was not only dominant on the level of race, it was dominant in the denomination of Religion factions of Christianity.
If people recall, during that same period many states had laws on the books for Sodomy, and Homosexuality was a national element that was ostracized by any and every means society could invoke upon those whom were homosexual, transsexual and any other not of Victorian Era modeling of human sexuality. The truth of the matter is, Trump's Idea of "AGAIN" is a confabulation created by and for those who had their segregated enclaves on many levels and to them, America was great, because it had white dominance in every sector and it also had many ideals groomed over many decades as to how religion was contorted to invoke in society a support for the expansive sets of what was Segregationist
Frames of Society.
As to homosexuality, it is the individual who has to deal with their soul, no one can save anyone else soul, and as to abortion, that is the decision of the people involved in that point of decision, its the same as one can't legislate who gets pregnant, or who is to marry whom, and one can't tell people whom to sleep with, because behind the doors of individuals home, they have the right not to have undue search and seizure, which includes searching the activities in their bedroom, nor seizing them by intrusion to see what they do in their bedroom between consenting adults. I think none, would support such an intrusion into the privacy of their homes. As to discrimination, our system of Democracy, cannot exist to be and become all it can be with discrimination, because discrimination infringes upon the nature and premise of Equality, as well as the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and freedoms of religion. Thus so... society either will respect the individualism of person, or it will just recreate a repeat of discrimination's that lead again to categories of segregation. It's quite likely "everyone" has someone in their family expanse who is homosexual, its not like they are aliens from another galaxy, they come from and within the homes of people.
I for one am not going to waste my time, out on some "homosexual watch", as if I am some moral police, people need to manage their own morality in such regards. Those who do go on a "homosexual watch" should ask themselves, how they can complain about the
Sharia Law Moral Police of Islamic cultures, when they are trying to do the same thing under a Christian premise as a Moral Police of Christian and Non Christian cultures???? Thus so it becomes
"Judge Not, lest ones self be Judged". 'America has Freedom of Religion sanctioned in its Constitution, thus so, it is UN-Constitution for anyone to become a party of Religious Moral Police Activity and Engagement of such Activity to police people based on Religious Motivations. Our Constitution principle of Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State does not support nor allow the conduct of Sharia Law, we have a Judicial system, independent from Church.
As to Trump... aim against the Johnson Act.
Trump's demeanor does not present anything that has any remote aspects of Religion, but for "MONEY" he has pandered without thought as he see's $$ signs, and without thought, he panders to the dollars that supported him and the agenda those dollars support to represent. Therefore as we see, the rest of society that has not put $'s toward him, he has little to no concern for. He refers much to his base core of supporters.
President Johnson saw what a demeanor and culture of Segregationist Ideology was in the elemental forms of its divisiveness and the damages it did to society.
Trump has no idea what he is doing, he has blurred the line between Church and State, and also tainted our Judicial system, which is
"a" Hallmark of our Democracy.
for young people, they need to read the Bible, and do so with understanding of its principles, and a good place to start in to learn the value basis of the 10 commandments and understand the rules, then gain the information, knowledge and wisdom of what it teaches. But do it without trying
to filter it through racism, bias and bigotry,....
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Those things have to be filtered through the Bible, not having the Bible filtered through those things. and out the back side, one then comes to understand better the rule, "Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you.
But if one tries to filter the Bible through all their biases, bigotry and racism, they will come up with nothing but frames of segregation's.
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This is of utmost importance to the young for them to understand, and if the old are wise they will also come to learn this valuable point and fact.
Then our system can function with the "Fair Basis of Justice for All" and continue supporting the basis of Democracy, which is Equality.... and Individuals can then feel free to pursue and engage "Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness".
Trump is a dangerous man!!! his premise of money and his youthful upbringing in the middle of the wealthy sectors that promoted every edict of Jim Crow Ideology and Segregationist Programming, is deep within his core. He has no idea, that the shielded enclave of his youth, was not the expanse of America. Nor was money the base value of the working societies individual lives. He has no concept of the damages of "segregationist programming" because to him and his family it was profitable, and it promoted class division, both spoken and unspoken.
His campaign denigrated "EVERYTHING" about American, from its general society, to every element of the Governance System. If one go back and read about the mentality that led to Civil War, (including slavery), one will find, the push for State Rights, Antebellum Manner, that leaned heavily into the frames of Victorian Era Religious Influence", that claimed a morality, that was not lived within the society, but denial and confabulation gave them
the fictions of morality that was for generalized social presentation, but the reality of the generalized societal conduct behind the curtains of public pretense, was far different.
This aims of "AGAIN" seeks in core of motive and premise to try and recreate the confabulated folklore of the past.
As to the matter of Jobs, people are looking at fantasy... if they look at truth, they will find the great need for Unions, and how and why Unions were the foundation that not only led to a Middle Class, but it also gave workers a unity of bond with the job, and the industry was as much a part of the community as was the citizen/employees were.
Void of that collective of what Union created, is a history of workers abuses, under pay, no benefits, no pension and medical care was not even a factored element. Segregation promoted and created a class of poverty that was wide spread, and people were relegated to the service class, as if being in a caste and class system, this included as well a mass of the uneducated and poor whites. Because they did not have in a great many jobs the benefit of unionized labor, they were deep core labor with no benefits, and no pension and nothing of a future except working until their bodies would not hold up. Thanks to President Roosevelt, the Social Security Act was created. But that too is something "despised by the Republican of Today", as it would have been Despised in the days of the Confederacy and Antebellum system and ideology.
One has to read back even further to Theodore Roosevelt, and why he broke up Standard Oil, and put great challenge to the Titans of the Times.
When people don't learn from the past, they simply follow blindly the mad men, who recreate the same mistakes of the past. Trump is not big on History for the Truths it revealed. He is enamored by those who gained massive wealth and wielded great power.
We see it in his fascination with Dictators, Tyrants and people of the likes of Putin and others who have dominant control over their nations and its people.
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