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No 'respectable' climate scientist admits that we can REVERSE the changes, nor specifies what is the official “normal.”
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Incorrect. Engineers have been studying ways to reverse it. Carbon Sequestration via pumping CO2 below the ocean, spraying reflective particles into the atmosphere (clouds - like when a volcano erupts and blocks the sun out and everything gets colder), placing mirrors up into orbit around the earth, etc
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Which begs the question, how does sequestering CO2 prevent the alleged disasters that have yet to manifest, when water vapor is the major factor?
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Prove it
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Why aren't the ALARMISTS seeking common sense solutions?
1. Cease subsidizing waste, and penalizing frugality.
2. Encourage only the construction of superinsulated, low fuel consumption housing.
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Because people are by-and-large emotionally-driven idiots (the liberals I meet) and think scraping 10% off terminal CO2 emissions is going to save us from our doom
Also, low fuel consumption housing is really tricky to come by. The only clean energy is the energy you dont use.
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3. Transition from the automobile / petroleum / pavement mode to the electric traction rail mode of land transport. [Up to 90% savings in fuel consumption]
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People are in love with their personal vehicles, that's the biggest problem. Beyond that, you have to worry about balancing the electrical grid and increasing the electrical output during peak hours to offset petroleum use. People often overlook the efficiency losses, energy costs, and dollar costs associated with transmitting electrical energy far distances (e.g. solar from mojave desert)
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4. Construct dikes and levees around threatened shorelines. [See Netherlands]
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See New Orleans
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5. Thicken the life bearing volume of the planet
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That's only temporary carbon sequestration. When trees/animals die, decay, or are burnt, their carbon is released back into the atmosphere often in gaseous form (unless they're trapped under oceans like the Trilobytes were before decaying into the petroleum we burn today)
Also, forest decrease the earth's albedo and less radiant energy is reflected back into space.
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- - - DATA - - -
● Earth max : (134.33 F)
● Space station max : (250 F)
● Lunar surface max : ( 242.33 F)
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Zero atmosphere = higher maximum temperature
How does a “heat trapping”atmosphere stay colder?[/quote]
Easy, the atmosphere reflects a certain amount of radiant energy which keeps the Earth cooler than the ISS. However, radiant energy that should be exiting the Earth and going out into space is also being reflected back down to the earth's surface
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And if heat was being 'trapped,' why hasn't the maximum temperature gone up to a new record level?
Is the “Greenhouse effect” like a refrigerator “trapping heat”?
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Sort of like a refrigerator, but different physics. There are different forms of thermal transfer - conductive, convective, and radiative. Greenhouse effect is mostly radiative where a refrigerator insulates via conductive protection.
The maximum temperatures are rising, and continuing to rise. Like a refrigerator cools down when you open the door (the thermodynamic balance changes), the earth is warming up bc the "door is being closed". Even if all CO2 emissions stop now, the Earth would continue warming for decades with the amount of CO2 we've already put in the atmosphere.
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