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Old 06-02-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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We could get the news any day now whether the proposed 90 day travel pause from 6 dangerous terrorist countries that Trump has tried to get into place but has been shut down by 2 lower courts will be allowed by the Supreme Court.

You mean the 6 countries whose citizens have been responsible for zero deaths due to terrorism in the US, those "dangerous terrorist countries"? While Saudi Arabia, the MIC's biggest foreign customer whose citizens have been responsible for thousands of deaths due to terrorism in the US is conveniently absent from the list?
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Old 06-02-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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Trump would have more support if 1. He hadn't asked Giuliani how to do a Muslim ban legally, 2. He didn't lie so much and most importantly 3. He made it for countries with known terrorists. His rationale doesn't work because he didn't ban any countries where he had business dealings. If he were truly concerned about our safety why haven't they rolled out the revised vetting procedures ?
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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You made some very good points.

I have heard from a very well known Lawyer who is a Supreme Court litigant that the Law on which the Travel Ban is based has been challenged and upheld before (I don't know the case(s)). If you read the law, it is quite clear that the President has the authority to issue such a ban. There is no ambiguity. And the judges in the lower courts overstepped their authority besides, so I feel pretty confident that it will be upheld. If not, as you said, it will be a devastating blow to our Constitutional Republic and Presidential Power, limiting his ability to ensure the safety of the American people, one of his primary duties as President. In effect, it will be making us subjects of the Courts, something that the founders feared. Courts do not make law. They read and interpret the Laws, and issue an opinion, and this only when there is a case before them. They cannot act on their own, and they cannot assume power that has not been given them by the Constitution.


Well said and this is what I was getting at.

There are more than 50 countries in the world that have a muslim majority and we are talking about first 7 then 6 of the most dangerous countries that Obama himself listed.

Trump wanted a travel pause from these 6 dangerous countries where they chant "Death to America" in the streets.
The other 44 muslim majority countries were not affected by the proposed 90 day pause.

The courts limited the reach of the President due to campaign rhetoric that history has shown only fools believe the half of. Why do they think Trump will make good on everything?

If we have a terrorist attack the blood will be on the hands of the liberal judges who blocked Trumps attempt to protect us and they blocked him simply because they do not like him.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:18 PM
 
Location: FL
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You quoted the WaPo. Pull YOUR head out of the sand.
You can search for any site that you approve of. I believe Trump is on youtube saying "Muslim Ban" numerous times.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:21 PM
 
Location: FL
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You mean the 6 countries whose citizens have been responsible for zero deaths due to terrorism in the US, those "dangerous terrorist countries"? While Saudi Arabia, the MIC's biggest foreign customer whose citizens have been responsible for thousands of deaths due to terrorism in the US is conveniently absent from the list?
Yup!
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:23 PM
 
Location: FL
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Trump would have more support if 1. He hadn't asked Giuliani how to do a Muslim ban legally, 2. He didn't lie so much and most importantly 3. He made it for countries with known terrorists. His rationale doesn't work because he didn't ban any countries where he had business dealings. If he were truly concerned about our safety why haven't they rolled out the revised vetting procedures ?
So true.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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They can, and probably will, decline to hear it.

There are three general categories of cases heard by the Court:

Circuit Splits
A court got it completely wrong and damaged fundamental rights
Decisions that affect large federal programs

I don't see this ban fitting any of the above.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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SCOTUS will most likely not give Trump the stay he is asking for..why?

Because there is a time limit involved..90 days...and granting an emergency stay would, in effect, vacate the lower court's rulings without hearing.

After 90 days..it would be moot.
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