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All this video really shows is the end of the incident where the guy is in a choke hold and they are screaming at him to stop moving while two others block the camera.
I don't see how this is evidence of anything.
Can someone clarify what this is supposed to prove?
It proves there are at least three males in the vicinity who could easily have handled one drunk without killing him.
All this video really shows is the end of the incident where the guy is in a choke hold and they are screaming at him to stop moving while two others block the camera.
I don't see how this is evidence of anything.
Can someone clarify what this is supposed to prove?
It clearly shows the elongated choke hold. How is it not evidence? From the article:
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The Harris County Medical Examiner has not issued a cause of death, but attorney Randall Kallinen, who represents the Hernandez family, said the unnamed doctor who treated Hernandez concluded that strangulation was the cause.
I can present two entirely different scenarios, one where the choke hold is appropriate and one where it is not.
Believe it or not, there is a scenario where choking a person to the point of their death is legal.
Right now, there is not enough evidence to determine if it was a situation where it was a legal act.
Obviously at this point reasonable doubt exists but it sure as hell needs to be investigated fully becuase this looks like manslaughter to me. ERven if someone starts a fight it does not give the other party license to kill.
There were at least three men on the scene in that video. There was no need for the chokehold at that time.
Obviously at this point reasonable doubt exists but it sure as hell needs to be investigated fully becuase this looks like manslaughter to me. ERven if someone starts a fight it does not give the other party license to kill.
There were at least three men on the scene in that video. There was no need for the chokehold at that time.
It ABSOLUTELY should be fully investigated and most likely go to a grand jury.
My point is that there is currently no really good evidence either way.
I can definitely imagine a situation where I wouldn't let a struggling man, who I felt was a threat to me and my family, go even with three other men on the scene.
I don't know if what happened was appropriate or not, just as you don't know. You can speculate all you'd like, but it's still just speculation that you are baseing your hypothetical reaction on.
If I were on the jury and saw only the two videos, saw the coroner's report and heard the testimony of the witness I saw on tv, I would have an extremely hard time convicting if the defendant had what seemed like a reasonable story.
Jurors are supposed to convict based upon the standard of reasonable doubt not "maybe it could have been handled better."
It ABSOLUTELY should be fully investigated and most likely go to a grand jury.
My point is that there is currently no really good evidence either way.
I can definitely imagine a situation where I wouldn't let a struggling man, who I felt was a threat to me and my family, go even with three other men on the scene.
I don't know if what happened was appropriate or not, just as you don't know. You can speculate all you'd like, but it's still just speculation that you are baseing your hypothetical reaction on.
Like I said there is reasonable doubt at this time but unless i suspected the man was armed I would break the chokehold and expect the other two, or more, men to help.
I guess when I was young the reaction to a fight from bystanders was not to videotape or block the videotaper it was to ensure neither fighter got seriously hurt. There is really something wrong with our video culture. Whatever the eventual outcome there was a whole lotta wrong here.
The fact is there were at least two other males in the precinity who could have ensured no one got hurt. All fat boy had to do was ask those two to give him a hand. Those two are morally bankrupt also. Who the hell blocks someone from video taping someone being killed and who the hell just videotapes someone being killed? There were at least 4 morons here. One is dead, hopefully one goes to prison and the other two develop a conscience.
The people blocking the recording was his "children" that he felt was offended by someone peeing in the parking lot.
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
All this video really shows is the end of the incident where the guy is in a choke hold and they are screaming at him to stop moving while two others block the camera.
I don't see how this is evidence of anything.
Can someone clarify what this is supposed to prove?
Imo it proves the point where the heavy jacka was squeezing and choking the life out of someone.
I waited and hey what do you know? Video Evidence and Coroners cause of death.
At this point I can now reach a conclusion without inference, speculation etc. and that is regardless of whom "threw the fist punch" you cannot choke someone to death with impunity. (A hold that I'm myself able to deliver so I could pin someone with it without actually killing them.)
As such, I feel that criminal charges are warranted.
Thanks. Been lied to, misled and bombarded with fake info on too many controversial killings to "pick sides" early. If you disagree then so be it. You and I both know that there have been multiple cases of death where the initial facts turned out to be lies (either pro-cop or anti-cop) so I reserve the right to wait.
This time, you were right IMO but I don't feel your approach will yield 100% success over time.
The sickest part about that pig...... he was concerned about a guy pi$$ing in front of his kids..... but had no qualms about committing murder in front of them...........What a piece of $hit
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