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I'm claiming that disability fraud is rampant because wages are low, welfare is hard to get and we don't have universal basic income
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
People steal because the govt doesnt steal enough? Interesting theory
If someone was a blue collar worker making 70k a year and they screwed up their back... yup they'll most likely get more on disability than by going back to work. So yeah it's definitely wage related.
The only thing the govt could really do is force them to get some sort of training for office keyboard warrior type work and possibly have them only receive a percentage of supplemental disability income.
imo there are some people abusing it that should be forced to work at least part time or they lose their benefits. I grew up with a couple of complete fat slobs that aren't even very old I'm pretty sure they are abusing it. There is "some" type of work they could be doing.
I'm claiming that disability fraud is rampant because wages are low, welfare is hard to get and we don't have universal basic income
It's harder to get SSDI than it is to get welfare, only one third of applicants are approved and the approval process can take two years. You need to be able to convince Social Security that your disability meets their criteria And that almost always depends upon evaluation by independent examiners, so you don't get SSDI by saying your back hurts or having your own doctor write you a note.
I agree that a universal income would save money, administrative costs and if done correctly actually encourage people to work but I don't think that is going to happen in my lifetime.
If someone was a blue collar worker making 70k a year and they screwed up their back... yup they'll most likely get more on disability than by going back to work. So yeah it's definitely wage related.
The only thing the govt could really do is force them to get some sort of training for office keyboard warrior type work and possibly have them only receive a percentage of supplemental disability income.
imo there are some people abusing it that should be forced to work at least part time or they lose their benefits. I grew up with a couple of complete fat slobs that aren't even very old I'm pretty sure they are abusing it. There is "some" type of work they could be doing.
The point of SSDI is that you are unable to support yourself through work due to a disability, if you can work part time on a regular basis why should you be on SSDI at all? As far as requiring workers to retrain, SS uses age grids If you are a young worker you will have to prove you can't do any gainful work, even jobs you are not trained for or you will be denied. If you are 55 you most likely will receive disability without being expected to re train for another occupation.
The point of SSDI is that you are unable to support yourself through work due to a disability, if you can work part time on a regular basis why should you be on SSDI at all? As far as requiring workers to retrain, SS uses age grids If you are a young worker you will have to prove you can't do any gainful work, even jobs you are not trained for or you will be denied. If you are 55 you most likely will receive disability without being expected to re train for another occupation.
I'm saying it needs reformed with more grey areas and categories or distinctions. 55 isn't old make them get off of their butts and go work at the Hallmark gift shop.
With certain physical or mental disabilities it's possible someone could work part time but not full time.
I find it hard to believe only 1 percent of people are abusing it.
I'm saying it needs reformed with more grey areas and categories or distinctions. 55 isn't old make them get off of their butts and go work at the Hallmark gift shop.
With certain physical or mental disabilities it's possible someone could work part time but not full time.
I find it hard to believe only 1 percent of people are abusing it.
Sorry but age is a consideration when determining disability status, for good reason. Further, most of them have worked many years before becoming disabled, as few younger people were on disability in prior decades compared to now. Attention should be paid to people between 18-40 claiming permanent disability.
I can't even fathom why babies and children can "pull a check", as the say, maybe we should do something about that. They would not be working if they were not disabled so why should they get a disability check?
Sorry but age is a consideration when determining disability status, for good reason. Further, most of them have worked many years before becoming disabled, as few younger people were on disability in prior decades compared to now. Attention should be paid to people between 18-40 claiming permanent disability.
as I said, younger workers are almost always denied unless they can't do any work at all. friend of mine's son applied for SSDI after he had been in a bad accident and had a number of physical limitations, his prior job had been working as a carpenter's helper. He was denied SSDI, he appealed & it ultimately went before a judge. The judge said "I am denying your claim, in my opinion you could get a job folding clothes at the Gap" he objected and said that there weren't any jobs like that available, the judge said "I don't care, there's a job like that somewhere and I've decided you can do it"
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Originally Posted by tamajane
I can't even fathom why babies and children can "pull a check", as the say, maybe we should do something about that. They would not be working if they were not disabled so why should they get a disability check?
Under SSI a child can be found disabled and given SSI (it's hard to get) if the parent's income is low enough https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-child-ussi.htm SSI has nothing to do with working, you can apply for SSI without ever having worked a day in your life.
So what does being on disability have to do with Donald Trump? He didn't put them in that situation and they probably have been on it through several presidents.
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Originally Posted by tamajane
Sorry but age is a consideration when determining disability status, for good reason. Further, most of them have worked many years before becoming disabled, as few younger people were on disability in prior decades compared to now. Attention should be paid to people between 18-40 claiming permanent disability.
I can't even fathom why babies and children can "pull a check", as the say, maybe we should do something about that. They would not be working if they were not disabled so why should they get a disability check?
For real. I cant figure that one out either. Kids getting disability checks for ADHD. I once believed disability was for folks who could NO LONGER work due to some medical condition. If one has never worked how can one be disabled to work.
For real. I cant figure that one out either. Kids getting disability checks for ADHD. I once believed disability was for folks who could NO LONGER work due to some medical condition. If one has never worked how can one be disabled to work.
Probably because disabled children are costly. It's not uncommon for parents to under-administer meds, so kids remain symptomatic enough to receive benefits.
as I said, younger workers are almost always denied unless they can't do any work at all. friend of mine's son applied for SSDI after he had been in a bad accident and had a number of physical limitations, his prior job had been working as a carpenter's helper. He was denied SSDI, he appealed & it ultimately went before a judge. The judge said "I am denying your claim, in my opinion you could get a job folding clothes at the Gap" he objected and said that there weren't any jobs like that available, the judge said "I don't care, there's a job like that somewhere and I've decided you can do it"
I understand from those who have disability that it is not easy. Normally one is denied several times and it takes a couple years to push it thru. But I know a couple people on it who very well could work. One is a back injury but the guy golfs and does handy man construction work for extra cash. The other, two actually, get a "crazy check".
Probably because disabled children are costly. It's not uncommon for parents to under-administer meds, so kids remain symptomatic enough to receive benefits.
Yeah, all kids are costly.
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