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Old 06-05-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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I'm reluctant to even address this because of its pure absurdity to ill consider the nature and status of the nation upon the Inauguration of his Presidency.
Further because you GROSSLY Ignored the "Republican Pledge To Oppose Obama"...
Every friggen time. Blame, blame blame.

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that pledge had nothing to do with the right and wrong of governmental aspirations, it was "PURE BIGOTRY, wrapped in Raw Racism.
"Oppose Obama", was a disrespect to the very Constitution, because the Office of Presidency is something that Congress Members take a pledge to uphold.
98% if not 100% of "Every Republican Over the Past 8 yrs, "Ran only on the Slogan, "I will Oppose Obama", and people went for it, exposing their own bigotry and racism, and trying to pretend it was everything other than what it was overtly displayed as being.

Until you go back and face truths, why should I engage you any further on such a comment, that has absolutely no validity.
Obama changed nothing. Absolutely nothing. He had the opportunity to change many things. He could have stopped the lobbyists access to the White House. He did not.

He could have ended Wall Streets addiction to war. He did not.

He could have concentrated on the middle lower classes as opposed to Wall Street. He did not.

This is a big reason Detroit and Philly abandoned Hillary.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:06 PM
 
Location: USA
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Perhaps read the responses. Asking where 300 million educated people are going to get a job when there are 321 million people in the entire country, the unemployment rate is at 4% and the unemployment rate for the college educated is 2.5% is the answer.

The real question is why the uneducated don't get an education, since that is the obvious solution. Instead, they call the educated elitist, sit home and wait for coal to come back.
Ok, so you are officially a Republican on economic issues. The poor should just "get a job" and pull themselves up by their own boot straps. They need to go to college even if they are 50 years old and have no money.

Right?

It's a bizarre day in America when Democrats talk like traditional Republicans, and a Republican president gets elected based on rhetoric about helping the working class.*

*yes, I realize that Trump was lying through his teeth...but rhetoric matters.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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So, no, you have no answer either.
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Every friggen time. Blame, blame blame.



Obama changed nothing. Absolutely nothing. He had the opportunity to change many things. He could have stopped the lobbyists access to the White House. He did not.

He could have ended Wall Streets addiction to war. He did not.

He could have concentrated on the middle lower classes as opposed to Wall Street. He did not.

This is a big reason Detroit and Philly abandoned Hillary.
well Trump's done wonders for them, huh? How Ryan and McConnell will surely usher in a new era of government focused solely on the middle class right?

starting to think you're one of those Bernie Bros who wants to burn it all down to keep it pure...rather than live in the real world.....just as bad as the Trumpsters on some level...
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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Ok, so you are officially a Republican on economic issues. The poor should just "get a job" and pull themselves up by their own boot straps. They need to go to college even if they are 50 years old and have no money.

Right?

It's a bizarre day in America when Democrats talk like traditional Republicans, and a Republican president gets elected based on rhetoric about helping the working class.*

*yes, I realize that Trump was lying through his teeth...but rhetoric matters.
the fact is the government can only help so much, if people won't accept reality there's little DC can do for them...the sooner we all accept that the better...Trump won b/c Hillary tried tried to speak to these people like gown ups and Trump came in and lied his face off that he was the Santa Claus of Coal, and they fell for it...and now here we are....nothing can bring back coal or the 80K button pushing job....the world evolved and we can enact programs to help people retrain, reeducate, and to make sure they have a safety net along the way, but we can't bring the 1950's back....
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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well Trump's done wonders for them, huh?
Why do you and others continue to do this? I am NOT trying to defend anything that Trump or the GOP has done.

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How Ryan and McConnell will surely usher in a new era of government focused solely on the middle class right?

starting to think you're one of those Bernie Bros who wants to burn it all down to keep it pure...rather than live in the real world.....just as bad as the Trumpsters on some level...
Sanders would have won.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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Ok, so you are officially a Republican on economic issues. The poor should just "get a job" and pull themselves up by their own boot straps. They need to go to college even if they are 50 years old and have no money.

Right?

It's a bizarre day in America when Democrats talk like traditional Republicans, and a Republican president gets elected based on rhetoric about helping the working class.*

*yes, I realize that Trump was lying through his teeth...but rhetoric matters.
Let me know how rhetoric spends at the store.

But I'm very very tired of hearing Republicans in middle America call the educated "elitist" because they went to college. That takes work, money, sometimes student loans that take years to pay off and typically working while going to school. Then they get the pleasure of sending their money to middle America in various forms only to be called names in return. It's time they had to stand up on their own. No other part of the country is coddled the way coal miners have been. No other part of the country do people expect the jobs to be brought to them instead of moving to where the jobs are.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:00 PM
 
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Every friggen time. Blame, blame blame.



Obama changed nothing. Absolutely nothing. He had the opportunity to change many things. He could have stopped the lobbyists access to the White House. He did not.

He could have ended Wall Streets addiction to war. He did not.

He could have concentrated on the middle lower classes as opposed to Wall Street. He did not.

This is a big reason Detroit and Philly abandoned Hillary.
he could have done more , you are correct.

However, Obama was relentlessly blocked by the GOP on virtually every front. POTUS needs the help of the houses to get stuff done. GOP did everything they could do to block every move Obama made. They did not even hear his pick for the SCOTUS.

imagine no party has ever done that in the History of the USA. But GOP have stooped so low as to not only have stolen a SCOTUS but they are pretending they believe it was morally "OK" and reasonable.


Sure Obama could have done more , but given the unfolding GOP disaster he was handed, and the obstruction by the GOP on a scale never seen before in modern US history, Obama did well to get anything done at all.

and what is more PKnopp, i believe you already know this.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Yet barely six months after his election, Trump is emerging as the latest politician to betray middle America.
The Great Betrayal of Middle America



This is 100% SPOT ON!
You're a Democrat.
You don't count. .............. Well, you do count; but not enough because you keep losing.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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Let me know how rhetoric spends at the store.

But I'm very very tired of hearing Republicans in middle America call the educated "elitist" because they went to college. That takes work, money, sometimes student loans that take years to pay off and typically working while going to school. Then they get the pleasure of sending their money to middle America in various forms only to be called names in return. It's time they had to stand up on their own. No other part of the country is coddled the way coal miners have been. No other part of the country do people expect the jobs to be brought to them instead of moving to where the jobs are.
they have been trained to view democrats as "elitist" by FOX and its offspring. The intent is to drive a wedge between natural allies, and it has worked beautifully. Look at how the GOP/FOX combo has managed to convince blue collar workers that the GOP will take care of them and help them... when the GOP has a very clear track record of protecting the RICH, imprisoning the minorities and pushing the tax burden on to the middle and bottom.

They don't ever hide it anymore, because "conservatives" are so easy to fool as long as the GOP provide scapegoats and bogeymen .
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Every friggen time. Blame, blame blame.



Obama changed nothing. Absolutely nothing. He had the opportunity to change many things. He could have stopped the lobbyists access to the White House. He did not.

He could have ended Wall Streets addiction to war. He did not.

He could have concentrated on the middle lower classes as opposed to Wall Street. He did not.

This is a big reason Detroit and Philly abandoned Hillary.
Sure you expected someone to wave a magic wand and fix ("your level of perceived") problems, when you evidently have no understanding as to the gravity of the devastation in many sectors, including the economic sector, nor have you considered to factor the nature of protracted war, along with a Republican Congress that would not even face up to the mess they made. You would do well, to read, learn and become willing to face real truths, but that is not going to happen within you nor your mindset.

You likely better try and invest yourself to learn more about what it took to develop a system of Military Industrial complex as it became of its massiveness long before Obama came on the scene. You might want to go back and learn what Eisenhower said, decades ago, and then watch what happened when we went into Vietnam, then you might begin to grasp what and how the Military Industrial Complex grew, then move along to the Reagan Era, and his build up to fight against Soviet existence, and the money put into his Star Wars programming, then you might understand how that equally so multiplied by a x factor the power of the Military Industrial complex. , Maybe you did not know what it became as a build up, once the Soviet Union Fell, when those vacuums were aggressively pursued to be filled... and then you might what to work your way up to the First Gulf War, along with the Far Eastern issues that exploded with Serbia and Bosnia.... but surely none of that has entered your mind, because generalized "Selective Amnesia" has become a default commonality among the Republican Mentality when they seek to take no responsibility and install themselves to be in synchronized denials.

Maybe you might even want to go back to Nixon and ask what took place when the doors of China opened and Ore Processing left America as if its was on a Rocket Power sled. You might even want to go and factor elements of the Middle East conflicts.
I'd strongly suggest that you give careful thought to the Economic Down Turn and the De-regulations and the ramification of the Reagan Era on the Economic Spectrum, and move on through to the Bush 1st, New World Order, and the massive explosion of Outsourcing that reached the peaks during the Clinton Administration, and the Economic Crash of the Bush Era.

Now, when you grasp context, then you might understand what is a political challenge that has multiple components, that include war, economic down turn, financial system de-regulations, and political wranglings
of a complex set of variables, I'd also tell you to be mindful of what was, the era of Junk Bonds in a de-regulated climate and you might learn about the economic calamities that fed the mass erosion of industry during the elevated levels of mergers and acquisitions, and you might grasp how banking, insurance, Wall Street and Bond Rating gaming created a mess, that nearly took down the global economy.
When you work your way through some of that to figure that out how to better engage subject factors, then we can talk about further things.

I don't come here to play slap stick joke master games, and lets play Mr. Witty fictions. When your are prepared to engage to discuss events that impact the world and you find the fortitude to deal with the broad and expansive elements of truths factors of History, then ... propose commentary relevant to do so.


Other than that, I'll leave your with your confabulations and move on to do what I do.
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