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Old 07-08-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Originally Posted by Threerun View Post
Could care a less about Kansas. The governing of the state should be left to the state, for better or for worse. It's the people's choice.
True.

But it's a good thing to learn from other people's experiences.
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Old 07-08-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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Maybe now Republicans will finally admit that Trickle Down voodoo economics is a dismal failure. The whole idea that lowering tax rates automatically increases economic activity, which in turn causes tax revenue to rise, is once again proven false.
Don't hold your breath for Repugs to admit it is voodoo economics. And as far as the residents of Kansas are concerned, no sympathy for people who continually vote against their own self interest.

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Old 07-08-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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Don't hold your breath for Repugs to admit it is voodoo economics. And as far as the residents of Kansas are concerned, no sympathy for people who continually vote against their own self interest.
And all because of, "but but but my white identity politics "
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:45 PM
 
Location: NYC
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This whole debacle in Kansas, essentially became the test-bed for the tax plan that Trump has proposed. Extend the plight of that state's finances to the whole country and that's what you'd have, if anything resembling Trump's plan was enacted.
Trump supporters and many republicans long for the days of economic prosperity under George W.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If all that was true they wouldn't have been attempting to cut education spending and infrastructure not to mention running a deficit. If they created jobs then why didn't they get more revenue.
They did not cut spending, period. Attempting to cut means nothing. They didn't do it. Plus creating jobs doesn't get more revenue if you cut taxes. That's silly.

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Everything I have read indicates the tax cuts caused a deficit, not sure who the Kansas Policy institute is but they were having difficulty retaining teachers even before the cuts to education. Even his GOP controlled legislature voted against Brownback, his policy just did not work.
They did not cut spending, period. You never once mentioned that in your post even though I made that my main point. Nothing to do with just cutting taxes.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:57 PM
 
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They did not cut spending, period. Attempting to cut means nothing. They didn't do it. Plus creating jobs doesn't get more revenue if you cut taxes. That's silly.


They did not cut spending, period. You never once mentioned that in your post even though I made that my main point. Nothing to do with just cutting taxes.
Doesn't Kansas have to balance its budget? If it does, when there's a shortfall, then mustn't it cut planned spending to make the books balance? What were the school closures and the highway fund raids about, if they were not about cutting spending?
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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They did not cut spending, period. Attempting to cut means nothing. They didn't do it. Plus creating jobs doesn't get more revenue if you cut taxes. That's silly.


They did not cut spending, period. You never once mentioned that in your post even though I made that my main point. Nothing to do with just cutting taxes.
Total nonsense, they were sued in court over cuts to education, is that not a spending cut or am I mistaken. Their rational response, withhold funding for the courts and do everything in their power to undermine the judicial system. If they didn't cut education and infrastructure it wasn't for lack of effort.


They created a hole in their budget and they attempted to cut corners because of misguided policy.

So did the Wichita Eagle and other get it wrong???

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Brownback cut higher education and most state agencies by 4 percent, excluding public safety, K-12 education and state hospitals. These moves are expected to leave the state with $87.5 million in its general fund at the end of June 2017
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-...e78450362.html
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Doesn't Kansas have to balance its budget? If it does, when there's a shortfall, then mustn't it cut planned spending to make the books balance? What were the school closures and the highway fund raids about, if they were not about cutting spending?
Yes Kansas is required to balance their budget but they don't. Yes they should cut spending to balance the books.

This is from 2 years ago but this is the type of things we hear about cutting education when in fact the INCREASE was cut to a smaller increase. It's the same garbage we heard from Ryan a few years ago when he said the budget was cut when in fact the overall increase was just lowered.

“The dramatic increase in state education funding that has occurred over the last four years is unsustainable,” Brownback said in a news release. “School districts are estimated to have approximately $381 million in reserve fund balances to help them offset the smaller than expected increase in state funding. The Kansas Department of Education should work with school districts to help them with any cash flow challenges that may arise.”

Schools would still receive more funding than they did last year, but less than they were supposed to receive this year. Under the cuts announced by Brownback, the Wichita school district will lose more than $3 million from what it was set to receive this school year.
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:57 PM
 
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Total nonsense, they were sued in court over cuts to education, is that not a spending cut or am I mistaken. Their rational response, withhold funding for the courts and do everything in their power to undermine the judicial system. If they didn't cut education and infrastructure it wasn't for lack of effort.


They created a hole in their budget and they attempted to cut corners because of misguided policy.

So did the Wichita Eagle and other get it wrong???



Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback cuts Medicaid reimbursements, higher-ed spending | The Wichita Eagle
All you have to do is is look at 1 data point to see if spending was cut. Just look at spending over the last few years.
Between fiscal years 2015 and 2016, total government spending in Kansas increased by approximately $439.0 million

Past years the spending cut was about lowering the increase and the schools also had reserves. Dunno about this year.


Kansas increased education spending by large amounts from 2004-2014
Article from 1 year ago

Total spending in Kansas climbed 50.1% during the period, surpassing both the U.S. and regional averages. Comparatively, the same is true regarding spending per student headcount. Kansas experienced a 42.1% jump, again above the national and regional averages.

This data is further evidence of the growth in money to Kansas K-12 education on several levels. In addition, it shows that the overall increase here exceeds that of our region and the nation as a whole. Looking at this data makes it absurd to conclude that somehow Kansas schools are underfunded.


https://kansaspolicy.org/growth-in-k...debt-and-cash/
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Old 07-09-2017, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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All you have to do is is look at 1 data point to see if spending was cut. Just look at spending over the last few years.
Between fiscal years 2015 and 2016, total government spending in Kansas increased by approximately $439.0 million

Past years the spending cut was about lowering the increase and the schools also had reserves. Dunno about this year.


Kansas increased education spending by large amounts from 2004-2014
Article from 1 year ago

Total spending in Kansas climbed 50.1% during the period, surpassing both the U.S. and regional averages. Comparatively, the same is true regarding spending per student headcount. Kansas experienced a 42.1% jump, again above the national and regional averages.

This data is further evidence of the growth in money to Kansas K-12 education on several levels. In addition, it shows that the overall increase here exceeds that of our region and the nation as a whole. Looking at this data makes it absurd to conclude that somehow Kansas schools are underfunded.

https://kansaspolicy.org/growth-in-k...debt-and-cash/



This is from back in 2015, I believe the courts intervened on the education cuts and that is when he threatened to cut their funding.


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Kansas Republican Gov. Sam Brownback’s aggressive tax cuts have come back to haunt him. In the latest move to make up for a massive state deficit caused by his economic policy, Brownback plans to cut nearly $45 million in funding for public schools and higher education in his state by March.
[CENTER]RELATED: Kansas retracts after Sam Brownback’s failed GOP experiment[/CENTER]
Brownback shared his plans for the current budget cycle on Thursday ahead of a Senate vote on a bill aimed at eradicating a $344 million deficit projected for the end of June. More than half of the money would be taken from funding for K-12 schools, and take place as soon as March 7, The Associated Press reported. The cut would also affect Kansas colleges and universities. Top Republicans said lawmakers need to agree on a solution to fix the budget by Feb. 13 to make sure the state pays its bills on time through the summer months.

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback to cut $45 million in public-school funding | MSNBC


This was from 2016


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Gov. Sam Brownback plans to divert more than $100 million from state highways, reduce pension spending and cut numerous other agencies’ budgets by 4 percent to help plug a projected budget hole for six months.

The state also will transfer more than $100 million from other dedicated funds into the general fund, including $55 million from fee revenue in the Kansas Department of Health and Environment.
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Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-...#storylink=cpy
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http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-...le4382802.html
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