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Old 06-12-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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That is clearly a perspective of the liberal left. Most people do not approve of homosexual marriage, but unlike leftist goons, conservatives are not going to riot over it.

As to single payer, rest assured the old system, pre-Obamacare was working for the vast majority of working Americans, and the indigent were also getting care. The $10 Wal-Mart worker is not the biggest problem. It is the generational dependence of the inner city dwellers who do not work, and just have multiple generations depending on the city/county hospitals. If everyone does not have skin in the game, the system cannot work.
I'd also point out that the gun, knife and drug clubs in the slums run up massive bills with all their trauma care. Once they are patched up for $$$$$ they are back on the streets pushing their poison and shooting/stabbing each other all over again.

This notion promoted by socialists that health care is a right, ignores the fact we got by in this country for the majority of our existence without any type of insurance. You saved and paid cash on the barrel. I know that is such a quaint notion these days, but people were more responsible for themselves and their loved ones back in the day.




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We are not going back to a farm society with 15 members in each family. You might dream of this as the future of America, but it aint happening. We live in a modern industrialized society and that means losing your job because you get sick, and in the process losing your health insurance as a result of the job loss is a national disgrace.
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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...And who made it expensive? The government, that's who!
Funny how America has the most privatized health care system in the developed world and by far the most expensive. The government systems in place in every other rich country in the world run far more efficiently than the American system. Odd, right?
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:22 AM
 
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It should be a federal level initiative.
In a case of state level income/sales tax, the young and healthy will leave the state and the old and sick will move to it.
So?

If they move to states that offer it, that is what that state will have to deal with.

It's part of single payer.
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:22 AM
 
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$600 epipens are a private industry disgrace. Nothing to do with government
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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That is clearly a perspective of the liberal left. Most people do not approve of homosexual marriage, but unlike leftist goons, conservatives are not going to riot over it.

As to single payer, rest assured the old system, pre-Obamacare was working for the vast majority of working Americans, and the indigent were also getting care. The $10 Wal-Mart worker is not the biggest problem. It is the generational dependence of the inner city dwellers who do not work, and just have multiple generations depending on the city/county hospitals. If everyone does not have skin in the game, the system cannot work.
I'd also point out that the gun, knife and drug clubs in the slums run up massive bills with all their trauma care. Once they are patched up for $$$$$ they are back on the streets pushing their poison and shooting/stabbing each other all over again.

This notion promoted by socialists that health care is a right, ignores the fact we got by in this country for the majority of our existence without any type of insurance. You saved and paid cash on the barrel. I know that is such a quaint notion these days, but people were more responsible for themselves and their loved ones back in the day.




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yes- the multi-generational unemployed in rural areas (the 400 coal jobs must have solved everything) abusing opiates and meth while abusing SSDI and medicaid while disparaging those in the cities are surely not abusing the healthcare system at all right? The ones who hate Obamacare but love the ACA, who don't understand why Trump and the GOP are actually looking to kill the ACA even though they ran on that platform? The ones who have highest obesity rates in the nation and who in some states have nearly 10% of the state on disability and more opiate prescriptions than citizens? Those people are just the salt of the earth I guess, right?
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Funny how America has the most privatized health care system in the developed world and by far the most expensive. The government systems in place in every other rich country in the world run far more efficiently than the American system. Odd, right?
they'll point to how US makes more $$$, with no regard to how those in other countries most ikley have more money at the end of the day and enjoy better quality of life b/c things like higher education and healthcare are provided and don't drain the entirety of household saving like they do here....
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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they'll point to how US makes more $$$, with no regard to how those in other countries most ikley have more money at the end of the day and enjoy better quality of life b/c things like higher education and healthcare are provided and don't drain the entirety of household saving like they do here....
????????

Can someone translate this post for me?
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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Why? They both don't work?
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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Can someone translate this post for me?
sue- should be pretty self evident, but here goes- if we in America make X but those in random European nation make X -5K as annual salary people point out that US rule and we make more $$ b/c we are all privatized so we rule. However, average European doesn't have to worry about thousands upon thousands of dollars a year in healthcare premiums and fees. Same with college savings, 529 plans etc. So while Mr USA might make more $$ upfront, having healthcare and higher education provided in many/most European nations means Mr. Europe actually comes out ahead since two of the typically largest drains on savings are taken care of already.

But continue to think paying thousands a year to Aetna or United is the best way to go with pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps, and the like back on the table.
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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Prior to gay marriage being the law of the land there were just a handful of states where it was legal.
Being from Massachusetts it was old news. The sky didn't fall and no one forced it upon our children.


Single payer healthcare is really the best thing for the American public. We all know what we have now isn't sustainable.
More and more companies are NOT offering an affordable insurance option. So, ALL taxpayers are footing the bill for $10/hour walmart workers having babies and local hospitals.


Eventually some state in the union will come up with a plan... the rest will follow and, just like gay marriage, we'll wonder what took so long.
the problem is that a state by state method is very difficult and costly. It is much much cheaper and stronger to make a national health insurance plan that forces 100% of pop to be on it from conception to grave.

It makes sense, it is cheaper, it is better and it provides lifelong security that ensures people are exposed to vastly less risk.


But the reason we can't get it comes down to our system of unfettered lobbying and dark money. They allow vested interests to block it and to spend billions brainwashing people into to thinking it will cost them more money for less, when in fact it is exactly the opposite.

There is too much money at stake for vested interests to let this happen, and when people believe liars like Trump who pretend to have solutions it only makes matters worse.

The best chance of a state solution would be for a number of the the larger states to band together to build one system, NY and CA along with states like MI WA HI etc could do it. they would need to work together understanding that only TOGETHER would they have the numbers to force drug companies cut prices and to kick out the middle men that skim the system.
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