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Old 06-08-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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Both parties need new blood.
One can note.......the (R)'s in the political picture lost the White House and lost ground in the Senate.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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Yes, democrats do have huge issues, and part of it is because of Obama. The other reasons are the DNC has yet to go through the sort of reflective period and clearing of house that the GOP did for several years.


For all his popularity as POTUS Obama did little to nil for creating a strong bench for the DNC. It really was all about him and his identity politics. Fair enough one supposes but the party shot itself in the foot by freezing out other possible reasonable candidates for the 2016 POTUS and going with the *anointed* Clinton woman. That didn't turn out so well and now the Democrats are scrambling to get themselves together on a national and even local level.


GOP OTOH had about ten years or so of retirements on both national and local levels, along with other new blood brought in. As such they *do* have a bench and you are seeing it in that even now bad as His Orangeness is the DNC still cannot win local elections against a Republican candidate.


If the Democrats can pull off a win for the NJ governors' race this fall that would be something. But they still will have to do more, much more if they intend to take the senate in 2018 and attempt to whittle down the GOP majority in House.


On paper as a whole the nation is moving towards what would be considered ideal demographics for the DNC. That is a nation which is less white, less religious, less conservative and so forth. However even a dying tiger can kill; and as the Democrats found out in 2016 there is still a wide swath of demographics (the cranky and or alienated old white men and women, etc...) that when motivated can strike electoral blows.


Quite simply GOP voters in many parts of the USA were far more motivated in 2016 just as the DNC voters were in 2008. Again the latter failed to hold and build on the *super star* power of Obama and nearly soon as he was in office that allure began to fade; in short the DNC couldn't repeat nor even build upon that momentum.


This is going to be the issue for Democrats going forward. They need to find candidates for both local and national races that speak to and get an electorate fired up. This must happen outside of the liberal/left/progressive bastions of East and West coasts; that vast territory often referred to as "fly over country" by liberal elites.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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Both parties need new blood.


GOP has new blood, and that is the main problem in House and part of the senate.


The "Tea Party" elections swept in a slew of new of new House members and a few senators. Remember poor Eric Cantor? Where is he now?


The problem is thanks to gerrymandering and political shenanigans you often have Republicans in both local and national offices that are bent on one thing. North Carolina is a case in point. They got a new governor but GOP still controls both chambers of government and as such nothing really has changed.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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GOP has new blood, and that is the main problem in House and part of the senate.


The "Tea Party" elections swept in a slew of new of new House members and a few senators. Remember poor Eric Cantor? Where is he now?
Cantor took the people for granted. That is why he lost. Deservedly so.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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Hillary is the last person the Dems need to run. They need to get as far away from her as possible.
It's not the dems choice, at least not most of them.

She's got the cash and the DNC is packed with her loyalists.

If she's really going to run first she's going to pile on cash then in 2 years you'll see the pre-campaigning.

Surely I've been wrong before but I think she's got too much money access and too many DNC loyalists to dislodge. (She outspent trump about 700mil to 350mil, let that sink in....)
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:52 PM
 
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Hillary doesn't seem to have gotten this message. She's acting like she's gonna try it again in 2020.
I suspect that's just fake bravado talking. She's 69 right now and her health looked really iffy at one point. For all the excuses the left and right made about why she lost IMO the health issue played a bigger role than anyone will admit.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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I suspect that's just fake bravado talking. She's 69 right now and her health looked really iffy at one point. For all the excuses the left and right made about why she lost IMO the health issue played a bigger role than anyone will admit.
This says otherwise. Just this past week.

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/stat...49836441309187


Sure sounds like she's going to run again to me.
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Old 06-08-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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This says otherwise. Just this past week.

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/stat...49836441309187


Sure sounds like she's going to run again to me.
Another easy win for Trump!
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Old 06-08-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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I clearly stated what platform Democrats should support; a platform that a majority of Americans support.
And how do they do that without alienating the patchwork of fringe groups that now make up their base? Even within this patchwork you have competing factions, working class blacks and illegal immigration supporters for example.
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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I've been noting this since the election.

A consistent theme is that the focus on white defections from the Democratic Party masks an even more threatening trend: declining turnout among key elements of the so-called Rising American Electorate — minority, young and single voters. Turnout among African-Americans, for example, fell by 7 points, from 66.6 percent in 2012 to 59.6 percent in 2016.

Trump didn't win because of a groundswell of support for him, he won because a needed group refused to come out and vote for Hillary.

And yes, it was both because Hillary was an awful candidate and she represented a continuation of the failed policies of the last eight years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/o...u-thought.html

The accompanying chart illustrates this discontent. A solid majority, 77 percent, of Obama-to-Trump voters think Trump’s economic policies will either favor “all groups equally” (44) or the middle class (33). 21 percent said Trump would favor the wealthy.

In contrast, a plurality of these voters, 42 percent, said that Congressional Democrats would favor the wealthy, slightly ahead of Congressional Republicans at 40 percent.


This represents the facts of the last eight years.
What "failed policies" of the last 8 years?
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