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Old 06-09-2017, 06:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
Trump was vindicated of any wrongdoing.
Please. The investigation is ongoing with Mueller. I cannot wait until that orange vile man is taken DOWN.
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Old 06-09-2017, 06:49 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
Only idiots think that firing the head of "Any" agency will stop any investigation.....

Damn folks, think about it.....


So, this is the narrative:

There is a new mayor in town.

The new mayor fires the chief of police.

Throw all the cases out, the chief of police was fired by the new mayor....

That's what the left is trying to present right now...
The idiot is Trump.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Again you have to read what the words say not what you think they say.

My point has been exactly the same right along if you pay attention. There is no requirement for criminal charges to impeach. And further no charges have been laid against Trump that would stick criminally. But that in no way prevents him from being impeached.

Vindication a: to free from allegation or blame

So you got to be alleged to have done something bad or been blamed for something. Trump does not appear to have done anything wrong. So how can he be freed from that which does not exist.

He is however impeachable. that is because impeachment simply requires that the Congress disapproves sufficiently of you or your actions.

And he WAS being blamed for something!

When WaldoKitty said he had been vindicated - since so many people were blaming him for colluding with the Russians - you argued that point.

You're still arguing the point, even though you're now talking in circles.

People on the left were blaming him. He's been vindicated.....found to be not guilty of the allegations being made about him.

To say he couldn't be vindicated unless charged was ridiculous.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tonyafd View Post
Trump tweeted last night that Comey lied under oath repeatedly during yesterday's testimony.

It boggles the mind that someone who already has a bad reputation for lying would accuse a man who was the countries primary law enforcement officer since 2003 of repeated counts of perjury.

Here is a Comey biography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_...2.80.931993.29

Judge for yourselves.

By the way, notes made after a meeting are admissible as evidence.
Wait, who pays attention to what Trump says? I stopped listening long ago.

Regarding Comey, I don't know about lying, but he's a weirdo. Nothing he did since Hillary's laptop announcement, all the way to yesterday's testimony, makes sense.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:24 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Cops go by gut feelings all the time. Most times they are right.
I just finished repping you for another post.

Now, I'd remove half a point (), because I disagree about cops' gut feelings being usually right. I have more to say about that, but it might be considered to be off-topic, so I will not write more on that subject here, since this is about Comey's testimony and all that was discussed during it.

Comey, on the other hand, was an experienced, intelligent FBI agent/Director, and I think we agree that his gut feelings, based on a long, successful career, were right on the money concerning Trump's behavior, especially at the event where Trump made everyone leave the room so he could better pressure Comey.

Where I fault Comey is in accepting a last-minute (same day) dinner invitation at the White House in the first place. Trump has tended to invite people to dinner and then screw them over. He likes to apply pressure one on one. Comey already had a date with his wife lined up for the evening. He could have either politely declined (or postponed) the invitation or even suggested that the President and his wife join them in a public restaurant (or Comey's home) with others present.

Trump is an untrustworthy, lying bully, and in my opinion, he does covertly tape conversations regularly with everyone, and that he is now stalling and trying to determine how best to use those tapes to prepare for an eventual political "event". If it is determined by Trump's numerous lawyers that it is best that he not share the tapes publicly or even with an agency like the FBI, then he won't, but he will use the tapes to prepare. Trump's own brain is insufficient to remember what happened.

Comey, on the other hand, took extensive notes immediately after each meeting with Trump, based on his astute gut feelings, which proved to be true—since Trump fired him.

He is now a private citizen and can release his own notes publicly, since they do not jeopardize national security. Also, he was extremely careful during testimony by saying that he could not discuss some things in the public forum, and would do so only with
the committee behind doors.

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Old 06-09-2017, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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One thing is for certain, and can not be disputed by anyone. One of the two men, Trump or Comey is lying, because their stories are 180 apart. Ok, we have that settled. Now, who do we believe ? A man who constantly lies and fabricates things, even when he doesn't have to, or, a man with a squeaky clean reputation and the respect of people on both sides. A man who will not embellish his testimony, just to make the other guy look bad.

Comey has NO history of lying, whereas Donald Trump has lied so many times (provable lies) that no one can believe him. Even when GOP Senators greeted Comey, they had to say how much they respected his integrity and service to America.

As for Trump ever appearing and testifying under oath, yeah, right. It will be just like his tax returns that he promised numerous times to release, but always found some excuse not to. What he will do is say that on the advice of his Attorney he can not be sworn in and testify. Just you watch and mark my words.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Gone
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One thing is for certain, and can not be disputed by anyone. One of the two men, Trump or Comey is lying, because their stories are 180 apart. Ok, we have that settled. Now, who do we believe ? A man who constantly lies and fabricates things, even when he doesn't have to, or, a man with a squeaky clean reputation and the respect of people on both sides. A man who will not embellish his testimony, just to make the other guy look bad.

Comey has NO history of lying, whereas Donald Trump has lied so many times (provable lies) that no one can believe him. Even when GOP Senators greeted Comey, they had to say how much they respected his integrity and service to America.

As for Trump ever appearing and testifying under oath, yeah, right. It will be just like his tax returns that he promised numerous times to release, but always found some excuse not to. What he will do is say that on the advice of his Attorney he can not be sworn in and testify. Just you watch and mark my words.
Nailed It!
Will have to owe the rep for now,
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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And he WAS being blamed for something!

When WaldoKitty said he had been vindicated - since so many people were blaming him for colluding with the Russians - you argued that point.

You're still arguing the point, even though you're now talking in circles.

People on the left were blaming him. He's been vindicated.....found to be not guilty of the allegations being made about him.

To say he couldn't be vindicated unless charged was ridiculous.
What you are asserting is that he was in fact charged. With colluding with the Russians. Don't you read what you wrote?

I do not believe there is any reasonable charge that Trump colluded with the Russians. It could turn out to be true but I do not believe it at this point. So you believe their was a rational charge that he colluded with the Russians?

I suppose if you wish to give credibility to the lunatic fringe he was charged. But they think he molests children as well. Do you find that a credible charge as well.

We need some standards on these issues. That someone somewhere said it is not that.

And there is no way he was found not guilty at least in the corporate sense. That is the question Comey would not answer in an open hearing.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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He lied twice.
1. He said in a previous hearing that he nor anyone else was the source of any leaks
2. That he leaked the memos AFTER Trump's tweet when in fact he released it BEFORE the tweet.


Those are the two known right now.
Timeline?
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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And he WAS being blamed for something!

When WaldoKitty said he had been vindicated - since so many people were blaming him for colluding with the Russians - you argued that point.

You're still arguing the point, even though you're now talking in circles.

People on the left were blaming him. He's been vindicated.....found to be not guilty of the allegations being made about him.

To say he couldn't be vindicated unless charged was ridiculous.
What you're posting is ridiculous. Nobody that mattered (read: nobody on this forum matters as far as the investigation is concerned) has claimed Trump himself colluded. The investigation was and still is about his campaign's ties. Unless there's evidence to connect it to Trump, he's not being blamed by anyone that matters and that was the case before Comey spoke yesterday. So there's nothing to "vindicate" on that front unless it's really important for Trump that city-data posters and CNN comment section trolls be set straight. Nothing came out yesterday that changed anything about the current investigations in Trump's favor. Everyone in that room knew Trump himself wasn't under investigation when Comey was fired seeing as they are conducting the investigation. It's not at all revealing or vindicating.

What he HAS been blamed for is removing Comey specifically for not ending the ongoing investigation. There's a pretty solid case for that (if the reason really was his handling of the Clinton investigation he would have been gone before May). You may not like what Comey said, but if a former FBI director with 30 years of legal experience goes under oath and calls the President a liar and doubles down on some questionable (and that's an understatement) quotes from the president, that carries weight. Especially when the president himself has implied that there might be tapes of the conversations. So Comey is either very confident that what he testified was the truth, or his 30+ years of legal expericme have really failed him. If you think Trump is vindicated and this is over, you're kidding yourself. It's going to continue and Comey's testimony shifted some of the focus directly toward the president because he implied, under oath, that the president obstructed justice. There's a reason a criminal law expert was brought in today- they're looking to see if Comey's testimony could be enough to make a case for obstruction AND if the answer is yes, what the law and precedent says regarding the president if/how you can proceed (POTUS can't be charged like a normal citizen even if they committed the crime).
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