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Old 06-10-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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Of course it is a warped form of socialized medicine. What else could you call it? The governor was correct.

The root of the problem is that we have different philosophical views on this issue. Some believe the government should be responsible for their personal health care at everyone else's expense, some do not and want the government as far away from their bodies as possible. Some see it as "free" health care, some see it as slavery. The thing is, for those who wish not to participate and they are forced to anyway, it damn sure is a form of slavery. When do we open the cotton fields back up and slap people who do not want to pick cotton in the middle of the fields? When the government is forcing people to buy a product they may or may not want from a private corporation, it's actually worse than slavery.
Is the person who refuses to buy the health insurance "product" going to send the ambulance away and not go to the emergency room when they fall off a ladder or have a stroke? No, they will use the resources others have paid for to heal their bodies and rack up a huge bill they most likely won't be able to pay. Every human body is fallable and can become sick or injured at any time. Not having health insurance is the height of irresponsibility, these people will expect someone else to pay when illness or injury occurs.
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Old 06-10-2017, 02:46 PM
 
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Hell, most human adults cannot readily digest lactose. In general, only white adults can, and even only a subset of them at that.

As someone who avoids dairy altogether, it can be difficult eating out or as a houseguest in most predominantly white countries (and northern India even), but in my experience, Americans are by far the most likely to drown everything in cheese, butter, or cream. It's ridiculous browsing through a menu only to see that every single dish involves either cheese or a cream base. (Though luckily I live in coastal city librulland, where I can avoid restaurants like that altogether for the most part)

I suspect that if dairy and pop consumption was reduced with no other changes, that alone would significantly improve health for all races, and especially non-whites.
Correct. Refined sugars are a disaster for African Americans and Indians in particular. I'm noticing that whites are succumbing to it now more than ever before.

As to dairy, I think that we're the only species that tries to consume milk AFTER our infancy.
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Old 06-10-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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Hawaii is gorgeous no doubt and if you throw puerto rico in there, sure, but those are islands. No way the colder water California beaches and the sailing there compares with florida and the south. I could be in the bahamas on a jet ski from where my dad keeps his boat on the atlantic quicker than alot of peoples commute home from work.

Even places like alabama has amazing beaches like orange beach gulf shores dauphin island and white sand , citrus trees and palms and Mississippi has some nice beaches and casinos like gulfport and aorund biloxi. I have sailed alot of those places from florida.. The gulf stream is one of the most amazing phenomenons in the world, it defines the southern weather patterns for the most part.
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Old 06-10-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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I think your post is one of the more omniscient observations in this thread. The fact that Mississippi is 40% black tilts the statistics. As I pointed out in my previous post, I inherited vigorously good health from my parents. We all do.

My visits to the gym do far more for me than visits to my doctor would. I have not been to the doctor for years. I'll go when something looks strange, protrudes or hurts. I can take my own blood pressure.

I think the presence of diabetes is a cultural thing exacerbated by an inherited natural proclivity in some families and races.
Type 2 Diabetes--even if you have a genetic predisposition towards it, you won't develop it if you modify your lifestyle risks namely enough exercise and choosing to eat healthy. Weight control, too. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21915815

Type 1-is genetic and controlling it is all you can best do. https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/type-1-diabetes I've seen children w/ this. Hard to control sometimes and lots of complications.
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Old 06-10-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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Hell, most human adults cannot readily digest lactose. In general, only white adults can, and even only a subset of them at that.

As someone who avoids dairy altogether, it can be difficult eating out or as a houseguest in most predominantly white countries (and northern India even), but in my experience, Americans are by far the most likely to drown everything in cheese, butter, or cream. It's ridiculous browsing through a menu only to see that every single dish involves either cheese or a cream base. (Though luckily I live in coastal city librulland, where I can avoid restaurants like that altogether for the most part)

I suspect that if dairy and pop consumption was reduced with no other changes, that alone would significantly improve health for all races, and especially non-whites.
Butter, cheese and ther types of fat can add huge amounts of flavor, they aren't a problem for most people when consumed in moderation. I (and most French people) eat them regularly and stay thin and healthy. IMO, the problem is that portions are so huge in the US. One restaurant meal usually ends up being two or three meals for me.

It seems that most overweight Americans eat too much of everything except vegetables. I don't like the idea of villifying one type of food because when people do that they tend to just substitute more of another type of food. That said, I do agree that sugery drinks and that includes too much juice is likely a huge contributor to the US problem with obesity.
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Old 06-10-2017, 03:20 PM
 
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Mississippi is the conservative utopia. Liberals have never controlled anything in the state. How can it be in such bad shape if conservative policies are the best policies? How is conservative Mississippi so far behind liberal Massachusetts and New York in every single category? Conservatives tell me that black people would do better under conservative rule but they don't seem to be doing better under conservative rule in Mississippi.
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Old 06-10-2017, 03:45 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Hawaii is gorgeous no doubt and if you throw puerto rico in there, sure, but those are islands. No way the colder water California beaches and the sailing there compares with florida and the south. I could be in the bahamas on a jet ski from where my dad keeps his boat on the atlantic quicker than alot of peoples commute home from work.

Even places like alabama has amazing beaches like orange beach gulf shores dauphin island and white sand , citrus trees and palms and Mississippi has some nice beaches and casinos like gulfport and aorund biloxi. I have sailed alot of those places from florida.. The gulf stream is one of the most amazing phenomenons in the world, it defines the southern weather patterns for the most part.
You said best beaches in the country, Hawaii's a part of the country so...

Everything else is a matter of opinion.
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:03 PM
 
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what constitutes 'better primary care'?
going to a doctor is a personal thing, women going far more than men.
Having health insurance is not going to get men to go to a doctor as often as women
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You are so wrong.
Ask Mitt Romney.

I live in MA and have been to primary care MUCH more than I was in the decades before. I pay full price for my insurance (we have a decent income). But the primary care actually plans and contacts you and confirms for ALL the stuff you need as you age.

Let me tell you what this means. It means a longer life, less infant mortality, less maternal mortality and - by any measure - better medical care.

Guess which state is rated #1 in the USA for health care? MA.
Worst? MS.

Now, you may live in a backward bizarro world where bad=good, slow=fast, etc. etc - there is a lot of that disease going around these days. But my point is that things like this CAN and ARE measured clearly.

Just because you make up some words doesn't mean they are true. Check your words against facts - statistics. Then come up with a valid point.
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Is the person who refuses to buy the health insurance "product" going to send the ambulance away and not go to the emergency room when they fall off a ladder or have a stroke? No, they will use the resources others have paid for to heal their bodies and rack up a huge bill they most likely won't be able to pay. Every human body is fallable and can become sick or injured at any time. Not having health insurance is the height of irresponsibility, these people will expect someone else to pay when illness or injury occurs.
That's right. They are going to get sick some time anyway and then we all end up paying--and THEY haven't paid a dime into it! Hospitals can't turn them away. They'll just walk off and forget about the bill while someone else is paying for it. That's called leeching off the system.

Meanwhile here in Massachusetts health care seems to be working fine. Neighboring Connecticut is fine too except for some of their falling apart cities--but every state seems to have some failing old cities. At least people in MA and CT can go to the doctor, unlike people in Mississippi.
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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Hypertension in the United States: The State of Obesity

Adult Obesity in the United States: The State of Obesity

If there were ever a state that needed government intervention in health-care it is Mississippi, yet the state refuses federal money. Maybe they think everything is perfectly well in Mississippi

I guess the employers and employees in Mississippi want less federal money and higher health insurance premiums. Since many of the people aren't covered, when they get sick, they just shift the cost to commercial insurance providers and people who have commercial insurance.

The governor called Obamacare a "socialist takeover". I think it is interesting how many of the states that don't want Medicaid expansions or health-care exchanges have basically levels of health that one would expect in the third-world.

Interesting, how Mississippi refuses federal money because with the health-care indicators they don't need it and the state is perfectly healthy.

I love how these states refused billions of dollars despite sky-high obesity, hypertension and diabetes rates and basically saved federal money. While healthier states like California and Colorado were more then willing to take in billions of dollars to have programs to expand health care access for diabetics and people with hypertension in their healthy states.

Now I see why Mississippi is always ranked 50th!
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