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Old 06-12-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The electoral college argument is totally absurd. Right now, the rural areas are weighted much too heavily. It is already unfair and it sounds as if the OP would like it to stay distorted.

"...The Democratic candidate for president has now won the popular vote in six of the last seven elections. But in part because the system empowers rural states, for the second time in that span, the candidate who garnered the most votes will not be president.

...Rural America, even as it laments its economic weakness, retains vastly disproportionate electoral strength..."

"...61 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Independents, and 66 percent of Democrats approve of replacing the College with a system based on the popular vote..."


Presidential election: A map showing the vote power of all 50 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/u...-of-power.html

» Recrafting the Electoral College

 
Old 06-12-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
The electoral college argument is totally absurd. Right now, the rural areas are weighted much too heavily. It is already unfair and it sounds as if the OP would like it to stay distorted.

"...The Democratic candidate for president has now won the popular vote in six of the last seven elections. But in part because the system empowers rural states, for the second time in that span, the candidate who garnered the most votes will not be president.

...Rural America, even as it laments its economic weakness, retains vastly disproportionate electoral strength..."

"...61 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Independents, and 66 percent of Democrats approve of replacing the College with a system based on the popular vote..."


Presidential election: A map showing the vote power of all 50 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/u...-of-power.html

» Recrafting the Electoral College
Popular vote is long overdue.

Republicans won't change it though.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70 View Post
Amazing how the liberal media isn't covering their new referendum that's happening today in Puerto Rico where they're going to vote AGAIN on statehood. It seems like statehood is becoming more and more popular but if this referendum passes, Congress should NOT allow Puerto Rico to be a state.

- The American flag looks perfect the way it is now

- Puerto Rico is a very left-wing place politically. Allowing them to be a state means that the Democrats will have a permanent advantage in the Electoral College and in Congress as the new Senate and House seats allotted to them will be filled by Democrats. Puerto Rican voters are also susceptible to the Democrats' racial politics and stand in racial solidarity with illegal Mexicans and Central Americans in favor of illegal immigration and things like the Dream Act and illegal alien amnesty.

- This will be adding another non-English speaking area to the U.S. and will undermine efforts to make English the official language of America

- Yes, Puerto Ricans will have to pay federal taxes if they're a state but they are an economic basket case and will receive far more in federal funds than they pay in. It will be a financial black hole for the American taxpayer, a large version of Detroit, Chicago, Newark or the Bronx.

I truly believe this is a ploy by liberals and Democrats to gain and hold power. THey've tried to push for Washington DC to be a state for a long time and have failed and now they want to try with Puerto Rico. Because the left moving Democrat Party can no longer appeal to the average American, they have to resort to these games.

Though I'm open to allowing Puerto Rico to be a state in exchange for New Jersey or California leaving and taking their electoral votes and Congresional representation away.


So basically because you think PR is left wing, that is why they should not become a state. If PR was considered right wing, would you feel the same way?
 
Old 06-12-2017, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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The only reason they want to be a state now is to get a bailout from the taxpayers. That's it. Period.

Besides, only a small percentage of people voted, so apparently they don't really care that much.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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The only reason they want to be a state now is to get a bailout from the taxpayers. That's it. Period.

Besides, only a small percentage of people voted, so apparently they don't really care that much.
Isn't that true everywhere?
 
Old 06-12-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
The electoral college argument is totally absurd. Right now, the rural areas are weighted much too heavily. It is already unfair and it sounds as if the OP would like it to stay distorted.

"...The Democratic candidate for president has now won the popular vote in six of the last seven elections. But in part because the system empowers rural states, for the second time in that span, the candidate who garnered the most votes will not be president.

...Rural America, even as it laments its economic weakness, retains vastly disproportionate electoral strength..."

"...61 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Independents, and 66 percent of Democrats approve of replacing the College with a system based on the popular vote..."


Presidential election: A map showing the vote power of all 50 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/u...-of-power.html

» Recrafting the Electoral College
LOL Its the rural states problem... not the candidates who failed to persuade them or reach out to them, instead call them phobosisticismist who are bitter, cling to their guns and bibles, deplorable, and well campaign on identity politics instead of focusing on a stagnant to failing economy, job loss, and promise more free stuff etc. That will show them!

*Golfers clap*

Please do it again in 18 and 20

Or... leave NY California and other blue hives, move to the flyover states, Appalachia, and try to even it out... kiss your gated HOAs and comforts good bye
 
Old 06-12-2017, 08:26 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Popular vote is long overdue.

Republicans won't change it though.
We are a constitutional republic. Not a democracy. If popular vote was instilled, NY California would control the country.

I don't live in NY anymore for a bunch of reasons. It's politics and policies were a big factor.

Founding fathers saw this would be the case, where a densely populated areas would have the unfair advantage. Regardless of party and policy.

Our system ensures a more fair system is in place, one where blue hives don't get to control the country, or red hives control the country.

Say there were no absolutely no Democrats in Georgia Florida Texas, and swing states, etc you'd be whining for the system we have in place currently... be careful what you wish for... because you run clinton again... you will turn swing states red or 3rd party indefinitely...

Popular vote, leaves more to chance with voting fraud especially with states that don't require proof of citizenship or voter ID. And that doesn't pertain to any one party. Either can be guilty of it.

Now before you condemn Voter ID, claim it's racist or unfair, are you going to petition banks and credit unions who require ID for a loan? How about hotels? Car rentals? The DMV to register a car?
 
Old 06-12-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70 View Post
Most Puerto Ricans in the US seem to be Democrat and live in heavily Democrat strongholds like NYC and Chicago. Also I was surprised that this Puerto Rican terrorist from the 70s was able to march in the Puerto Rican parade in New York. The left wing movement has been prominent among Puerto Ricans on the mainland.

Now if Puerto Rico isn't a guaranteed Democrat stronghold then MAYBE its not that bad but their economic issues are still very concerning and us having to bail them out of that mess. Also we're not sure that they're not going to support Obamacare at a time when we must as a nation get Obamacare dismantled and end the push for socialist medicine.
Puerto Ricans moved to the US in the 1950s and '60s ready and willing to work. Unfortunately, they came at a time of de-industrialization of the Northeast US which coincided with a massive expansion of the welfare state pushed by white liberals. Puerto Rican youth lost their ethnic foundation and became easy prey to leftist ideologies.

These days, Puerto Ricans who WANT to work get the hell out of the Northeast and move to Florida, Texas, Georgia and North Carolina where they are beginning to form a middle class. Those who DON'T want to work stay in the Northeast and the Rust Belt and maintain themselves on Disability.

Puerto Ricans on the island are socially conservative but not fiscally so. On economic issues, they follow the lead of American progressives.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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Political considerations have always been a factor in getting Congressional approval for statehood. It was no coincidence that Alaska and Hawaii basically joined at the same time (Alaska in 1959 and Hawaii in 1960). One proposed state was considered to likely be Republican and the other Democratic, so their joint entry wouldn't effect the overall balance of power. What's forgotten now though was that Alaska was thought likely to be D and Hawaii, with its large veteran population was likely to be R. They ended up balancing each other, but not in the way thought at the time.
 
Old 06-12-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by NY_refugee87 View Post
We are a constitutional republic. Not a democracy. If popular vote was instilled, NY California would control the country.

I don't live in NY anymore for a bunch of reasons. It's politics and policies were a big factor.

Founding fathers saw this would be the case, where a densely populated areas would have the unfair advantage. Regardless of party and policy.

Our system ensures a more fair system is in place, one where blue hives don't get to control the country, or red hives control the country.

Say there were no absolutely no Democrats in Georgia Florida Texas, and swing states, etc you'd be whining for the system we have in place currently... be careful what you wish for... because you run clinton again... you will turn swing states red or 3rd party indefinitely...

Popular vote, leaves more to chance with voting fraud especially with states that don't require proof of citizenship or voter ID. And that doesn't pertain to any one party. Either can be guilty of it.

Now before you condemn Voter ID, claim it's racist or unfair, are you going to petition banks and credit unions who require ID for a loan? How about hotels? Car rentals? The DMV to register a car?

Exactly! Why do liberals call vote ID racist or unfair and yet they fail to complain where in other cases ID is mandated?
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