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Old 06-12-2017, 04:31 PM
 
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Nobody is complaining about them. Some folks are saying that it has nothing to do with Trump.

Like I posted earlier, blame the ignorant people who have no common sense, blame the terrorists who committed all these terrible crimes against humanity. Blame Trump is not the answer.

You (the general term) don't have to like trump and you perhaps have many reasons not to like him. But blame him for this? Seems unreasonable.
Of course, Trump didn't invent ignorance. It is a bit naive to discount his role in all of this, though. His rhetoric has certainly emboldened a lot of people to "just tell it like it is" (yeah, ok...) and express whatever nonsense they want to spew. He exploited this VERY well.


This kind of stuff has consequences, and real Americans are affected by it, unfortunately.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Of course, Trump didn't invent ignorance. It is a bit naive to discount his role in all of this, though. His rhetoric has certainly emboldened a lot of people to "just tell it like it is" (yeah, ok...) and express whatever nonsense they want to spew. He exploited this VERY well.


This kind of stuff has consequences, and real Americans are affected by it, unfortunately.
well, to me, it makes no difference. It is the Democratic party put the Japanese-AMERICANS in the camp, but is it reasonable to blame the Democratic party and other American people? I don't think so.

I voted Trump simply because I 'thought' he was not a warhawk. I will never hate ALL Muslims, I didn't have a reason then, I don't have a reason now.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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The same could be said of your response. The difference is that i responded to middle school vitriol....I didn't originally post it.

Sorry--I have no idea what this sentence even means. Of course you don't....& I doubt that you're "sorry". Who are the 'semi-employed'? And why would they be obsessed with eliminating the constitution? I said "parts" of the constitution. & semi-employed have the time to do silly things during the week. The fully-employed are more patriotic? Yes. What buzz words? The ones that I bolded Einstein.

Poke what bear? Isn't Russia "the Bear"? Not a good metaphor. Russia is known as the Bear and so is the Chicago Pro Football Team and the U Cal football team & dozens of other teams. It's not a metaphor...it's a quoted statement....meaning it's been used by dozens or hundreds of people over the past couple hundred years (rarely with Russia in mind).

Honestly, I don't know any kids with masks living in their parents basements. The only millennials I know are working in NYC, buying condos and pulling down hefty salaries, so I have no idea who is in the 'masked movement.' I didn't say anything about millennials. I also don't know who is "in" the masked movement either....they wear masks. It appears that the ones that were arrested are semi-employed thugs or losers.

I am fairly certain the "Grunge" movement took place in the 90s and was about garage bands, punk music and fashion--not politics, and I've been around since way before Starbucks and Grunge. Then you should know that although Grunge was absolutely Garage music.....that punk started in the late 60s and blew up in 76 & 77. The early 90s was a period of time known for grunge (not punk). I was referencing a time in history (90s) when Grunge was going strong and the internet and Starbucks were just getting started. This is a time or starting point for many who post on here as the beginning of their known history. (which is why I'm not sure why you reference the 90s being about Punk.....since the Stooges, Clash, Pistols & Dolls were all in their late 30s and 40s by then).

As far "Glorious Leader," that was pretty well-known during the campaign. I considered the nutjobs using the term dangerous, not hilarious. Maybe you were in a basement somewhere and missed it?

"...Andrew Anglin, proprietor of the Daily Stormer, one of the leading far-right websites and popular with neo-Nazis, declared of Mr Trump: “Our Glorious Leader has ascended to God Emperor. Make no mistake about it: we did this...”

"...In a post titled “Glorious Leader Calls for Ban on All Moslems,” the website opines..."
The only "Glorious Leader" I know of was the current North Korean Dictator's Grandfather (& it was also used for his son and his grandson....though they are obviously Glorious Leader Light.). The silly propaganda articles you posted are for one echo chamber to spew hate & for the other echo chamber to hilariously compare Trump to the current North Korean dictator. Ironic, since Trumps predecessor actually DID use totalitarian tactics in an attempt to move the country (sometimes successfully) towards a more socialistic, less market based economy & to significantly grow the Federal Govt.

Anyone who uses Dear Leader or Glorious Leader to describe Trump in an attempt to be provocative or condescending are being silly.... and are showing their ignorance of history.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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What is this post even in reference to?

Why did you even comment on this thread if it doesn't affect you? Have some freaking empathy...good lord.

It doesn't affect me, either (I'm a white dude who would never be mistaken for a Muslim from the Middle East...). But it does affect people I know. And it's not cool to have to constantly correct people that you're not a Muslim (it's interesting that being Muslim is now considered a problem...but that's an entirely different discussion).



Do you contend that most Americans are knowledgeable enough to know what Sikhism is and that it is distinct from Islam? My experience says otherwise...
Most people in the US do not know much at all about Sikhs due to a lack of exposure. Most westerners with very minimal exposure to people from Asia and/or the ME are probably going to assume people from those regions with what appears to be religious inspired garb will be Muslim.

Let's not act like it's anything more than it is.

Put a couple of white guys in India or Pakistan on a bicycle with a tie peddling around with a Bible and there is a chance many people there will assume he is Catholic and not know he is most likely Mormon. Does that make them intolerant racists?
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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well, to me, it makes no difference. It is the Democratic party put the Japanese-AMERICANS in the camp, but is it reasonable to blame the Democratic party and other American people? I don't think so.

I voted Trump simply because I 'thought' he was not a warhawk. I will never hate ALL Muslims, I didn't have a reason then, I don't have a reason now.
Eh...what?

I'm not blaming Trump - I'm blaming the ignorant ass people who hassle Sikh's about being Muslims (the second offensive implication there is that being a Muslim is even a problem to begin with...).


But it's rather naive to think that Trump's rhetoric has not contributed to this kind of stuff. The President sets the tone, and it's pretty obvious what kind of tone is being set by him. He knows that there are plenty of people in this country with a fear of Muslims, and he exploited it super well.


You don't have to justify why you voted for him - I wasn't even talking about that. Nor am I singling you out here.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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Most people in the US do not know much at all about Sikhs due to a lack of exposure. Most westerners with very minimal exposure to people from Asia and/or the ME are probably going to assume people from those regions with what appears to be religious inspired garb will be Muslim.

Let's not act like it's anything more than it is.

Put a couple of white guys in India or Pakistan on a bicycle with a tie peddling around with a Bible and there is a chance many people there will assume he is Catholic and not know he is most likely Mormon. Does that make them intolerant racists?
I never called anyone racist. I called them ignorant. Did you even bother looking at the context of my post? I responded to a poster that explained how anyone could get Sikhs and Muslims mixed up - I simply replied it's because of ignorance.


And yes, it would make those people in India or Pakistan ignorant, too. What point are you making? Ignorance certainly isn't an American-specific trait. Although, as a far as knowledge about the rest of the world goes, we are pretty dang ignorant (sometimes proudly so!).
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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I never called anyone racist. I called them ignorant.

And yes, it would make those people in India or Pakistan ignorant, too. What point are you making?
Ignorance is only a lack of knowledge about a particular subject. I am very ignorant when it comes to boy bands, the Kardashians and the type of fish that make Sydney Harbor their home.

Many people on this thread seem to think ignorance of Sikhs is something to be ashamed.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:47 PM
 
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Ignorance is only a lack of knowledge about a particular subject. I am very ignorant when it comes to boy bands, the Kardashians and the type of fish that make Sydney Harbor their home.

Many people on this thread seem to think ignorance of Sikhs is something to be ashamed.
Ignorance on its own is not necesarilly something to be ashamed of (although it's not something to be proud of, either).

The issue is assuming that Sikhs are Muslim and them hassling them about it. Or, for that matter, anyone that "looks" Muslim.


Combining ignorance, fear, and hate is the problem.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:49 PM
 
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It doesn't blame Trump ?
The headline blames Trump . Are you serious ?

Yeah that's the problem with the left it's all about "suggestions" and "possible scenarios"
Rather than facts .

"If trump wins the KKK might get bigger!"

"If trump wins the stock market will crash right away!"

"If trump wins ... x might happen "



Now we see none of that happened

Liberals are like boy who cried wolf .
Yep, bad headline. If you would've taken the time to read the article rather than just the headline, you would've seen that no, Trump was not blamed.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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But it's rather naive to think that Trump's rhetoric has not contributed to this kind of stuff. The President sets the tone, and it's pretty obvious what kind of tone is being set by him. He knows that there are plenty of people in this country with a fear of Muslims, and he exploited it super well.


You don't have to justify why you voted for him - I wasn't even talking about that. Nor am I singling you out here.
I didn't say you singled me out. The point I was making was good people will always be good people no matter who is the president.
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