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And one of the easiest states to "hack into" was Illinois and when Illinois went for president Trump it's obvious to everybody that the Russians influence the election.
// sarcasm off
That the Russians got into some poorly run systems in liberal states ( Illinois was the most flagrant) that all flipped for Hillary means that somehow Trump won the election because of Russian votes?
Some people here keep making this arguments day after day.
Russians have infiltrated and ruined the US Electoral System. Hillary Clinton lost Election because of it.
There is absolutely no voter fraud. Hillary Clinton did not popular vote because of millions of illegal votes.
These positions are completely inconsistent, but maybe they have answer.
Why not have national Voter ID to stop Russians?
Well then:
First off the Russians Did try affecting the election, that is not really up for debate.
Secondly, of-course there was voter fraud, there always is and has been, thing is it did not change the outcome and it was no where near the Millions level that some wish to claim.
Personally I have no problem with voter ID being required, I have always been asked to show ID to vote, common sense, but then again I am not far left.
Well then:
First off the Russians Did try affecting the election, that is not really up for debate.
Secondly, of-course there was voter fraud, there always is and has been, thing is it did not change the outcome and it was no where near the Millions level that some wish to claim.
Personally I have no problem with voter ID being required, I have always been asked to show ID to vote, common sense, but then again I am not far left.
I am OK with id being required....IF we shoulder the cost to get it. IE we do not charge for it. We pay for the costs as a cost of running a government.
I am OK with id being required....IF we shoulder the cost to get it. IE we do not charge for it. We pay for the costs as a cost of running a government.
States will provide a State ID for free or for a very nominal cost, that yes, if applicable due to economics, should be paid for by the State.
Well then:
First off the Russians Did try affecting the election, that is not really up for debate.
Of course it is up for debate and you have no proof what so ever that they tried to influence the election, none. If there was proof then where is it? No one, not one person has shown proof of how Russia influenced the election or even tried to influence the election.
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas
Secondly, of-course there was voter fraud, there always is and has been, thing is it did not change the outcome and it was no where near the Millions level that some wish to claim. Personally I have no problem with voter ID being required, I have always been asked to show ID to vote, common sense, but then again I am not far left.
Agreed. There is no proof of voter fraud influencing the election there is no proof that Russia did either.
Some people here keep making this arguments day after day.
Russians have infiltrated and ruined the US Electoral System. Hillary Clinton lost Election because of it.
There is absolutely no voter fraud. Hillary Clinton did not popular vote because of millions of illegal votes.
These positions are completely inconsistent, but maybe they have answer.
Why not have national Voter ID to stop Russians?
No one is saying there is no voter fraud. People are saying there isn't evidence of millions illegal votes. There's a difference of scale. It's actually really not complicated.
Why do you believe the only way to influence an election is to tamper with votes directly?
So maybe puitin hired a bunch of hacls to say bad stuff about hillary????
their collective voice would be drowned out by poster here and other sites that had not entertained the thought of hillary clinton for president.
If you were voting for hillary's coronation as was the case with the dem party and ignored the collusion to stall Bernie, well nothing a russian hack or trump supporter could say would disway form casting a vote for hillary.
Do you and don't you think that Russians meddling in our elections should be investigated and stopped?
Where was Obama and his admin? After all he was president when supposedly all this happened.
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