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Old 06-14-2017, 05:46 AM
 
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Lots of comments trying to deflect, but no one has said that it isn't true. Hmmm.


People are saying that it is not 'the whole truth'. However, it is easy for the uninformed to make this mistake when they focus on party labels.


When I was growing up in Texas, in the 1960s, Texas was solidly "conservative", which back then was "Democrat". Indeed, the remainder of the Deep South was likewise 'conservative'. Nothing has changed the basic fact that said South remains 'conservative'.


Back then you had divisions within each party. Southern Democrats were conservative, while many Northern Democrats were liberal. Likewise, in the Republican Party you had many that were conservative (Barry Goldwater), as well as liberal (Nelson Rockefeller).


If one recalls the old early 1970s television show, All in the Family, you will recall that Archie Bunker, whose character was set in Queens, was 1) very conservative (and a bit racist), 2) a Union man, and 3) a Democrat. Yes, many conservatives back then were fully in favor of Unions.


Recall the famous statement by LBJ upon signing the Civil Rights Act: "We (the Democratic party) have lost the South for a generation".


Thus began the shift, slowly but surely. It was in January 1983 that Texan Phil Gramm, a Democratic US Representative, resigned his seat (upset over being removed from a committee) in order to run again, in the special election called for the next month, as a Republican. He won by a large margin. No one in their right mind would argue that Mr. Gramm (now deceased) went from being 'liberal' to 'conservative'. Other politicians followed suit, switching to the party that they felt best represented their views. Voters in the South, still being conservative, readily switched to the Republican party (it was not called the Reagan Revolution for nothing).


As such, while the bald statement that "Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act" is technically true, if you go only by party label, it is more accurate to say "Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights Act".
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:54 AM
 
Location: NJ
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obama said of dem senator Byrd and KKK recruiter......


"“America has lost a voice of principle and reason,” the president said."

History?, I think not.
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:00 AM
 
Location: USA
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In 1964, White Southern Conservatives filibustered the Civil Rights act.
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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This is really getting old. The parties of 50 years ago are not the same as they are today. Remember, it was Southern and Border state Democrats who did that, not the party as a whole.
Did the party as a whole take action against these southern Democrats by removing them from positions and holding back funding?
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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obama said of dem senator Byrd and KKK recruiter......


"“America has lost a voice of principle and reason,” the president said."

History?, I think not.
George Wallace was the Democrat Governor of Alabama when he stood in front of the school to physically block blacks from entering and was a Democrat when he was Governor of Alabama in the 80's.
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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I propose a new C-D Forum rule:

No more threads about how the Democrats are still the party of racism, slavery and segregation. It's 2017, not 1964.

Anyone with me? Mods?
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:18 AM
 
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Nope sorry, Democrats in the 60s were the racist conservatives that now make up the entire GOP.

Only people like you actually believe the nonsense you're trying to spout with right wing trash like the Gateway Pundit.

This has been a big part of American political history. People should be aware of it to understand how we have arrived to where we are today.


When I was young both parties had conservatives, moderates and liberals, and the distinguishing factor between the parties was that the Republicans tended to be more business friendly and the Democrats tended to be more labor or consumer friendly. Legislation usually depended upon the ability to compromise (Shelby Foote called that America's genius).


The south was called the 'Solid South' because it almost always went to the Democrats up and down the ticket. To assure support, the presidential ticket usually sought after 'balance', including a southerner either for president or vice president.





The southern Democratic party was dominated by prosperous and socially conservative whites. The most conservative were the 'Blue Dogs', and these very often worked across the aisle with conservative Republicans on legislation.


After the Civil Rights legislation many (or most) white Democrats moved over to the Republican party, and pretty much came to dominate that party, or at least strongly influence it. There followed decades of purging liberals, then moderates, from the Republican party and we have the Republican party we see today.


People gradually ceased referring to the Republican Party as the party of Lincoln, it became the party of Reagan. Now it seems to be the party of Trump, not pretty.
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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This post is the definition of gaslighting, and forgets the ideological shift after the Civil Rights Act
Own your history, don't hide from it.

Funny that Democrats seem to be the ones obsessed with the history of race relations in this country yet want to suppress their own racist history.

And will hardly ever admit that the Republicans have been the ones who have consistently fought for equal rights and fair treatment for ALL Americans for hundreds of years without waver.

It's the DEMOCRATS who have been the racists. Simple FACT.
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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This has been a big part of American political history. People should be aware of it to understand how we have arrived to where we are today.


When I was young both parties had conservatives, moderates and liberals, and the distinguishing factor between the parties was that the Republicans tended to be more business friendly and the Democrats tended to be more labor or consumer friendly. Legislation usually depended upon the ability to compromise (Shelby Foote called that America's genius).


The south was called the 'Solid South' because it almost always went to the Democrats up and down the ticket. To assure support, the presidential ticket usually sought after 'balance', including a southerner either for president or vice president.





The southern Democratic party was dominated by prosperous and socially conservative whites. The most conservative were the 'Blue Dogs', and these very often worked across the aisle with conservative Republicans on legislation.


After the Civil Rights legislation many (or most) white Democrats moved over to the Republican party, and pretty much came to dominate that party, or at least strongly influence it. There followed decades of purging liberals, then moderates, from the Republican party and we have the Republican party we see today.


People gradually ceased referring to the Republican Party as the party of Lincoln, it became the party of Reagan. Now it seems to be the party of Trump, not pretty.

Good points, including about 'balancing' the Presidential ticket. One must recall that Kennedy was, of course, a Northeast Democrat, yet on his ticket was LBJ, a Southern Democrat Texan. When Johnson ran in 1964, his VP pick was Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, while Goldwater's VP pick was William Miller from New York.
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:35 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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On this day in 2017, Abraham Lincoln would not recognize the party that ironically labels itself 'The Party of Lincoln'.
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