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Old 06-19-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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Try driving a car 100mph through busy downtown San Francisco and see if you can maintain control.
Buildings are tables, aircraft are cars. I'm convinced.
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Old 06-19-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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Buildings are tables, aircraft are cars. I'm convinced.
The physics are the same. An object doesn't have special magical properties just because it is so much bigger than another object. An airplane loses control at excessive unsafe speed, just like a car does.

Still waiting for an example of a building that has ever collapsed in the manner of controlled demolition, outside of controlled demolition. I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 06-19-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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My premise is incorrect in your view. I agree they lied about WMDs and sent us two unnecessary wars. They did not plan and execute 9/11.
They did not lie about WMD. Democrats such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi were making the exact claims, too... even before G.W. Bush was president!

Also, WMD was not the only reason to resume military action in Iraq.
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Old 06-19-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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Sure it doesnt take skill to crash into a building. What does take skill is bringing the plane just a few feet from the ground and keeping it stable enough while perfectly hitting the side of the pentagon bulleye.
Who says they were aiming for the side of the building?


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Doesnt help that the most secure building in the world in one of the most protected cities in the world, yet there is only one grainy frame by frame image of a foggy object then an explosion. That I find very hard to believe!
The lack of other footage is a bit odd but one has to also remember the primary security for that building is at the perimeter. The quality of the video should not be surprising. That's a time where you are transitioning away from VHS(or other analog formats) to digital. Storage would have been a huge issue for either format back then and quality cameras for either format were very expensive. Then there is the issue of the quality of the codec etc etc.

Furthermore if the plane is traveling at 500 MPH it's covering a distance of 2.5 football fields per second. Without a very high shutter speed found on better camcorders you are not going to get a good image. Standard framerate for most video is 30FPS however security camera of that era may only capture 1 to 5 FPS to preserve storage space.

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Old 06-19-2017, 06:37 PM
 
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They did not lie about WMD. Democrats such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi were making the exact claims, too... even before G.W. Bush was president!

Also, WMD was not the only reason to resume military action in Iraq.
They threatened Bush's daddy. A Texas guy would not put up with that.
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Old 06-19-2017, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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They threatened Bush's daddy. A Texas guy would not put up with that.
They also broke the 1991 cease-fire agreement and resolution 1441.
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Old 06-19-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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In what world is a steel frame building weaker than concrete?
Concrete and steel each have their own benefits and downsides, in construction they are combined to build the most durable structures in the world such as bunkers, nuclear facilities etc.

Just an FYI but we still have Roman buildings and structures that used concrete, the pantheon completed around 120 AD being the most notable. It's the world's largest unreinforced dome in the world to this day.

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In what world does a modern high-rise, made of steel or concrete, crumble to the ground like a house of cards from fire as if it were made of toothpicks?
Weight can do amazing things once set in motion.
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:02 PM
 
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Wrong about what? A table falls straight down when when you cut one of its legs?
Stack up 50 tables and pull one leg out, you'll have a pile of tables where you started.
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:06 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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They did not lie about WMD. Democrats such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi were making the exact claims, too... even before G.W. Bush was president!

Also, WMD was not the only reason to resume military action in Iraq.
They sure made a case that is was for WMDs. I understand Saddam had used chemicals on his own people but none were found after the invasion.

Oil was another reason. Halliburton says hi. Of course there is the excuse of regime change.

I don't think we had any business being in Iraq.
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:12 PM
 
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An airplane loses control at excessive unsafe speed,
Possibly if it goes beyond it's design parameters but in this case it's not beyond it's design parameters. The input of a pilot is not directly used to fly a plane, the computer is making hundreds if not thousands of minor adjustments every second.
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