NRA "Guns are the the Great Equalizer" (states, support, voted)

[NY_refugee87]

Originally Posted by Valhallian

I certainly hope most gun owners are like you. I suppose I'm a bit of a cynic when I imagine the "average person owning a gun", and don't trust most people to actually undergo the training they should.

I'm by no means against the right of people to own guns, and will admit I was being a snarky jerk.

And that's just the point I am making.

To assume makes well an ass out of me and you...
You're submitting to emotion, not fact or logic.

Would you be so sparky to someone afraid of heights deep water snakes spiders clowns dogs etc?

No.

Our media our politicians run their anti gun agenda and never let a tragedy go to waste. The term "loopholes" there are none from legitimate companies. Unless you hold an FFL you aren't buying ANY gun online and having it shipped to your house without a background check. Private sales I've already touched base on in another thread...

Take school shootings for example.

Tragic. But why aren't teachers carrying? Why are they soft target rich environments where it's a jackpot for a loon? Yet a Loomis/Brinks bank truck has armed and trained guards aboard and if not teachers carrying concealed why not hall monitors?

Hospitals down here have sheriff's and local PD officers armed in them in case a victim comes in from a gunshot because years ago gangs would claim my brother or friend is in the icu can I go see him and finish what they started. Hospitals go in lock down when there's a shooting victim. My sister is a nurse practitioner and floats between trauma and icu all of the time. The cops don't play down here.

They escort the ambulance and units will surround the main roads blocking them standing ready with shotguns or ARs. So to not carry in a hospital makes sense. More officers come in on security detail until that patient leaves...

Look at the church that scumbag Dylan roof shot up.
Look at the Orlando night club.
All gun free zones that relied on police intervention. In seconds not minutes life can be taken. Doesn't even have to be just guns either. Point is, nobody is born with a police officer assigned to them to protect them at all times. I don't speak for everyone, I don't put myself in compromising situations or flock to areas with high rates of crime. But should I find myself in a bad area I'm not going to be a statistic or be compromised wishing I had the means to thwart an attacker.

Is this starting to make sense that laws do not apply to criminals and loons?

I speak for myself and have no qualms being an ambassador for gun owners. I hold myself to a higher standard for this right I practice, comes with hefty responsibility and even harsher penalties to be a Thug or Rambo... I researched the laws to this state when I decided to leave NY. 790 and every relevant statute pertaining to it. I'm not a lawyer, but I do know the laws. I know the punishments. You can't be a hot head and get into an argument with someone and flash or brandish. You can't get into a fist fight provoking it at that, and then pull your piece dirty Harry style.
You don't go drinking and driving. You don't commit domestic violence. You don't add inches to your manhood because you've got a gun. Period. Anti gunners assume that's our stance and outlook and that it's the wild west. It's not.

Contrary to popular leftist ideology, shooting and gun ownership comes with great responsibilities. I won't engage in threatening behavior. Nor menacing. I dont have any local places to race stock cars on dirt or rip around on a quad or dirt bike. Nearest drag strip is an hour south of me. Mechanical devices are my passion. Guns are machines. They protect life and liberty. They also put food on the table. From deer/elk to boars, Turkey and waterfowl.

I have plenty of shooting ranges near by. I'm not the tacticool dick head bashing what your choice in weapon is. If your kimber starts jamming I'll offer you my Chip McCormick and Wilson Combat magazines. Unless it's a belly blaster 3 inch 1911 deal. There's no real solution to fix that. Can't hit the broad side of a barn with a pistol or AR AK or SKS, I might offer you technique on grip/purchase with a pistol, to trigger pull or help you adjust your sight posts and scopes/red dots.

I don't like seeing others struggle I'm always willing to help. Have problems cycling short stroking stove piping it could be how your holding it, could be the ammo, could be a gas system or spring or bolt issue. Protip:if you run a stainless barrel upper and feed it cheap steel cased junk, it will seize in the chamber and you do risk case head separation, especially if it's a lacquer coated steel case. Fail to fire? May be a primer, may be a bad pin, worn spring.
And I will get on your case like I did my mother and sister about safety. First time both rang bullseyes they had their finger still on the trigger and turned with a smile on their face... nope. Nipped that before it even became a habit.

Like I said. I don't like seeing others struggle. I'm not an elitist or brand fan boy if all you can afford is a keltech or hipoint I won't shame or bash you... Still waiting for a single cutie to show up flustered. There are some folks who look down on others because they don't own a 3500 dollar custom AR like they do. That's fine. The gloves don't make the boxer and I can take a rickety PSA kit rifle and out shoot them any day with steel cased crap, while they feed it premium loads from blackhills and hornady, what's up now Mr operator?

When asked why do I Need an AR or AK or M1 platform rifle with perceived evil features, because its a bill of rights, not needs. I can arm myself as I see fit. I can modify it to MY liking so I can be proficient. You might not be able to hit the broad side of a barn with anything that's mine or run and gun with it and knock steel down while sprinting. It's my weapon. There are many like it, but this one is MINE. No different than when I built hot rods or stock cars. I can take the lead from the rear of the pack in two laps. You probably would stuff it in the wall because you're not used to the suspension or the power curve. The gearing in the hot rods I had, ensured if I'm on the highway and you pull up in a new corvette or srt10 ram, that when I downshift from 4th to second, I'm going to run from you and jump ahead 5 car lengths before you start catching up. You might walk by me at 120 but you sure as heck aren't getting me from a roll at 40-65mph that's for sure. Same with snowmobiles. I can build one to whip a brand new F7 on an iced lake but it won't go for chit in powder. Or I can change the suspension up and have a trail demon. Change the suspension and track pattern and climb ungroomed natural mountains.
No different than a dirtbike. I can take a KX250 dial the suspension in to ride like a Cadillac in trails, change the gearing, reeds carb jets and head pipe to adjust the power curve to be snotty down low, or I can make other adjustments with the intske and exhaust to have a better mid range to top end powerband, dial the suspension hard as a rock and launch it 40 feet in the air and clear 90 foot tripples, and go wide open across a woops section and not bottom out. Same with a quad. Had a banshee that only was good for straight line speed, had another one great for trails and moderate jumps. One would lift the front wheels if you dropped the clutch under throttle going into 5th and 6th but come up on 2 wheels if taking a corner at any rate of speed. The other would corner, slide, and jump like it was on rails.

That's the beauty of firearms and living in a free state. I can personalize whatever I own to my liking. Opposed to NY where a foregrip birdcage pistol grip and collapsible stock are felony offenses worse than a child molester.
The most ignorant part to that, by removing the pistol grip, Cuomo made it easier to bump fire these ARs by changing the grip angle to a conventional rifle... so firing from the hip was made easier, a pistol grip is not conducive nor comfortable to have your wrist at a 90 degree angle to fire blindly from the hip... he didn't think that one through. Nor did he give any thought what so ever to the fact an ARs round is a glorified 22 that's got nothing on a 30/30 30-06...

That and AK platforms shoot groups the size of dump trucks at any considerable distance... Unless you like spending money to accurize them, and good brass cased loads are few and far between and cost $$$... I own them too.

I might be a snob though when it comes to pistols... if you can't hide a full size 1911 or Glock on you... You'd better get rid of that beer belly and start looking at slightly baggy shirts. 3inch pistols and snub noses are pure belly blasters... if the average car jacker/bad guy has his weapon drawn at 20+feet away you're doomed with a belly blaster. And if you're stuck in the 60s 70s with the mentality that a wad cutter is a great defense round, and that 6 shooter is the end all be all, hope you're adversary is the size of a Kodiak bear. Otherwise you're shooting clean through 2 people, a wall and hit the neighbors dog there Dirty Harry. Bad guys don't stay still, and revolvers limit your capacity and take longer to reload.

Unless you cast a wad cutter on the soft side and it barely stays together leaving the barrel clogging and smearing the rifling as its making its exit...

[Moth]

America's gun laws are inadequate.

Even Liberals are procuring them now.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Ted Bear

There are a variety of problems with guns in our society. One of which was highlighted by the baseball shooter, who is typical of many guns owners in America: They simply can't responsibly handle a weapon.

There are about 3,000,000 guns in the hands of private citizens in America.


That guy was certainly not "typical."


Typically, guns owned by American citizens are never used against anyone.

[r small]

Originally Posted by Ted Bear

There are a variety of problems with guns in our society. One of which was highlighted by the baseball shooter, who is typical of many guns owners in America: They simply can't responsibly handle a weapon.


This guy got off how many shots? And how few hit the mark? A handful. That alone is extremely dangerous when your skills are so poor you cant even hit the target. Too many of these cowboys can't hit the broad side of a barn. So we give them weapons with multi-shot magazines just in case.


Sad.

From what I have been able to find out the baseball shooter bought his guns legally in Illinois but did not have a concealed carry permit. So he is in no way representative of concealed carry permit holders. If he had been rational and responsible enough to get a permit it's highly unlikely he would have gone off the deep end and carried out this atrocity. Keeping whackos like this guy (and apparently he had a history of domestic violence) from getting firearms, I'm on board with that. Disarming responsible law abiding citizens, I'm opposed to that.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Goodnight

Suicide by gun is a statistic, I don't see that it is dishonest. If you don't think that suicides should be included then make your case and explain.

First they take their own life, if they are gonna kill themselves they are gonna do it, with or without a gun.


Now, you want to take suicide and lop in in the same arena as gang bangers and drive by shootings?


Now, you tell us, how you will tailor the law to fit both of them?

[NY_refugee87]

Originally Posted by Ted Bear

There are a variety of problems with guns in our society. One of which was highlighted by the baseball shooter, who is typical of many guns owners in America: They simply can't responsibly handle a weapon.


This guy got off how many shots? And how few hit the mark? A handful. That alone is extremely dangerous when your skills are so poor you cant even hit the target. Too many of these cowboys can't hit the broad side of a barn. So we give them weapons with multi-shot magazines just in case.


Sad.

I was waiting for this one to come out! Oh wow so much fail... so little time to address it.

Many gun owners that can't hit the broad side of a barn...
This guy couldnt. Thank God for small favors.

He's in the minority, ignoramus. Street thugs and criminals are also in the minority.

Coke bottle glasses, combined with an AK that shoots groups the size of dumptrucks... yeah he's an accurate poster boy for the average gun owner/shooting sports enthusiast

Imagine he used a 30-06 or 243 bolt action 300 dollar walmart deer rifle from a roof top, and was in better shape with better vision... You'd see a whole lot more casualties.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Ted Bear

There are a variety of problems with guns in our society. One of which was highlighted by the baseball shooter, who is typical of many guns owners in America: They simply can't responsibly handle a weapon.


This guy got off how many shots? And how few hit the mark? A handful. That alone is extremely dangerous when your skills are so poor you cant even hit the target. Too many of these cowboys can't hit the broad side of a barn. So we give them weapons with multi-shot magazines just in case.


Sad.

Oh look, another false narrative....congrats leftist gun hater....

[NY_refugee87]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

First they take their own life, if they are gonna kill themselves they are gonna do it, with or without a gun.


Now, you want to take suicide and lop in in the same arena as gang bangers and drive by shootings?


Now, you tell us, how you will tailor the law to fit both of them?

Cant. Suicide isn't homicide/violence. Suicide is taking the easy way out and a choice. Homicides, there is an attacker and a victim. Difference. Suicide is the end of ones life at their discretion. A homicide/manslaughter victim didn't have a choice or say in the matter.

Hence the word Victim
vic·tim
ˈviktəm
noun
a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.

That word the weak often hide behind, due to emotion, not fact.

Death by suicide is the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally.

Victims of homicide don't have a choice now do they?

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by NY_refugee87

Cant. Suicide isn't homicide/violence. Suicide is taking the easy way out and a choice. Homicides, there is an attacker and a victim. Difference. Suicide is the end of ones life at their discretion. A homicide/manslaughter victim didn't have a choice or say in the matter.

Hence the word Victim
vic·tim
ˈviktəm
noun
a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.

That word the weak often hide behind, due to emotion, not fact.

Death by suicide is the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally.

Victims of homicide don't have a choice now do they?

You understand I'm agreeing with you, yes?


You should say this to who I'm responding too....

[NVplumber]

Originally Posted by Ted Bear

There are a variety of problems with guns in our society. One of which was highlighted by the baseball shooter, who is typical of many guns owners in America: They simply can't responsibly handle a weapon.


This guy got off how many shots? And how few hit the mark? A handful. That alone is extremely dangerous when your skills are so poor you cant even hit the target. Too many of these cowboys can't hit the broad side of a barn. So we give them weapons with multi-shot magazines just in case.


Sad.

That clown is hardly representative of American gun owners. He's a left wing Sanders supporter. And obviously a political radical. One who has probably stumped the same position on gun ownership you espouse here and argued for repeal of the 2A. Leftist ideology is becoming synonymous with radical, militant violence these days. Now, all of a sudden, personal arms are OK in that arena, whereas before eliminating that has been one of the aims. Indeed, welcome to the Revolution.


This creep is far more of a Bolshevik than a cowboy.