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You shouldn't be able to torment someone to the point they are suicidal, then brag about your desire for them to kill themselves because it will net you attention and then continue to double down on your behavior to make sure the person goes through with it. That level of harassment in real life isn't allowed nor should it be in via texts, email or anything else.
The kind of manipulation that went on in order for this woman to gain a bit of what she viewed as positive attention through the demise of someone that she mentally tormented to make it happen makes this a crime.
This isn't a simple, "oh go kill yourself ffs" type comment. This was a systematic attempt to break someone down and encourage them to kill themselves so she could gain sympathy attention. What happened is beyond ****ed up it was criminal.
I agree. I'm particularly surprised at the verdict considering she was 17 at the time. There have been several cases similar to this one. Most of them have ended without charges being filed or in a not guilty verdict. She didn't force him to do anything, but what she did was horrible.
She was also setting up a memorial for him, being deliberately deceitful, extremely premeditated, this wasn't just an impulse but diabolical-
she is a sociopath and no good will come of her- better that she learns now, so we don't have to pay for worse actions (on her part) down the road - she needs to get the message NOW, one person has already died...
As did hundreds of people on the sidewalk below the guy or gal on the top floor threatening to jump.
Apparently they should all have been arrested and charged with manslaughter 'cause there'd be no way to know which one shouting "JUMP" actually convinced the guy/gal to jump.
It's like calling a drug addiction a disease......no one DECIDES to experiment with catching a disease. A willful act of self-destruction should not be attached to another, nor should it be excused and given any sympathy.
As did hundreds of people on the sidewalk below the guy or gal on the top floor threatening to jump.
Apparently they should all have been arrested and charged with manslaughter 'cause there'd be no way to know which one actually convinced the guy/gal to jump.
It's like calling a drug addiction a disease......no one DECIDES to experiment with catching a disease. A willful act of self-destruction should not be attached to another, nor should it be excused and given any sympathy.
well, it looks like the court disagrees with you.
Like I posted earlier,
According to the article,
"She admits in ... texts that she did nothing: She did not call the police or Mr. Roy's family" after hearing his last breaths during a phone call, Moniz said. "And finally, she did not issue a simple additional instruction: Get out of the truck."
I think this is the deciding factor of her sentencing.
This is VERY different from the situation where you tell your angry husband, "Go kill yourself" in the heat of an argument.
Like the other poster pointed out
This isn't a simple, "oh go kill yourself ffs" type comment. This was a systematic attempt to break someone down and encourage them to kill themselves so she could gain sympathy attention. What happened is beyond ****ed up it was criminal.
So are we okay with charging bullies who "drive" someone to kill themselves with the same crime? That seems like a natural extension of this precedent.
So are we okay with charging bullies who "drive" someone to kill themselves with the same crime? That seems like a natural extension of this precedent.
What makes this case interesting is that she KNEW he was going to do it and she did not do anything to stop him.
If a person took a bottle of pill right in front of you, you would have to do everything you can to stop him. It is really that simple.
She did not STOP him. It is not even a case of freedom of speech lol
So are we okay with charging bullies who "drive" someone to kill themselves with the same crime? That seems like a natural extension of this precedent.
Good question. This is the slippery slope I mentioned in my first post in this thread. Where do we draw the line once we start down this path?
Good question. This is the slippery slope I mentioned in my first post in this thread. Where do we draw the line once we start down this path?
"She admits in ... texts that she did nothing: She did not call the police or Mr. Roy's family" after hearing his last breaths during a phone call, Moniz said. "And finally, she did not issue a simple additional instruction: Get out of the truck."
I think this is the deciding factor of her sentencing.
For me the bold is the line. She didn't do anything to stop him, she wanted him to kill himself. Very different from "Oh, I never knew he was suicidal, I thought he just wanted to scare me" situation.
"She admits in ... texts that she did nothing: She did not call the police or Mr. Roy's family" after hearing his last breaths during a phone call, Moniz said. "And finally, she did not issue a simple additional instruction: Get out of the truck."
I think this is the deciding factor of her sentencing.
This is VERY different from the situation where you tell your angry husband, "Go kill yourself" in the heat of an argument.
Like the other poster pointed out
This isn't a simple, "oh go kill yourself ffs" type comment. This was a systematic attempt to break someone down and encourage them to kill themselves so she could gain sympathy attention. What happened is beyond ****ed up it was criminal.
Not disputing that the court disagrees with me. I disagree with the court.
I think the difference here is the lie that it is safe... it would be more equivalent to someone handing someone poisonous and saying "You should drink this, its poison, it will kill you." - and then the person drinks it.
Yes, the example includes a lie. However, the question is at what point is a person liable for the consequences of his/her free speech.
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