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Statistics still do not justify treating a Black person different from anyone else being detained or put in police custody. No one is upset about the statistics. I am upset that anyone feels that said statistics justify being rougher towards Black males compared other groups on the occasion that a police stop or arrest is necessary. No one has come up with a good reason why Philando Castile the individual deserved to get shot. Statistics are pulled up, but no one has a good reason as to why Philando Castile deserved to be killed based on his actions. No one.
Maybe there is no good reason? Cops are not infallible and they do make mistakes. Those mistakes unfortunately have dire consequences by the very nature of the interactions. This does not make all cops bad, or even the majority of them. It is a tough job. All around these situations are polarizing and I don't have any answers, maybe no one does.
now, why does this NEVER apply to cops? Police criminal behavior against blacks is excused by "well black culture is its own worst enemy....black murder rates...if other blacks could fix their image". Amazing that all these points yall try to make circle back around to that same point i'm making.
I did not say any of those things. You just want to argue. Good night.
Black men are the most likely to get killed by the police on the occasion that they get belligerent with police.
On the occasion? I hate to say it, but belligerence appears to be the norm as opposed to the exception AMONGST the less law-abiding of the black community.
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Black males are not only the most looked down on, they are feared the most.
I agree that this is VERY unfair. However, all ethnicities have various stereotypes associated with them that may or may not be true. Black men enjoy the stereotypes that benefit them, such as sexual prowess and the fact that they are stronger and faster than other ethnicities, as seen in professional sports and the Olympics. However, that perception of black men being stronger and faster does NOT work in their favor when confronted by the police, who do NOT want that confrontation to end with them being overpowered in the blink of an eye.
what part of black culture that's crime related is unique to blacks?
I didnt say anything about just crime related. What percent of black children are born out of wedlock? What percent have a father at home? What percent grow up learning to depend on government programs ? What value does black culture put on education? Why is education derided as white mans learning? Why is the most popular form of music one that glorifies violence and misogyny? How many black youth regard being in trouble with the law as a badge of honor? Why do blacks accept the notion that the only way they can get ahead is for standards to be lowered for them , such as civil service or other exams? Why does black culture refuse to accept any role or responsibility for changing this, and instead chooses to still blame every ill on racism , even as Asians and Indians with make it big in places like Silicon Valley?
So you can't back up your claim? Don't worry, I knew you couldn't, you can go on assuming though
How would you like me to document your personal conversations with others?
I do notice you didnt bother to answer as to whether you have ever referred to a group of people as a whole like blacks or whites? Why the dodge? Just easier to demand I document your every private conversation thn to answer a simple question?
Sorry, not impressed with your rebuttal attempt. Try and do better next time .
look up the word "exacerbate". I used it in a previous post. That one word cover your crap. Poverty and crime go hand in hand. Again, if you're going to ignore context then we are not even in agreement on commonground to debate. . And i notice you and others skip over the part where i said blacks (and currently muslims) are the only groups associated with our criminal element. Every group has bad people, but the association is only made for blacks? And I suspect you'll keep skipping it.
BTW...the thread is literally about "Cops vs Blacks"...so race is half the discussion.
Poverty and crime do not necessarily go hand in hand. Some of the poorest places in America are in the Appalachias, and there is not rampant crime there. The same can no doubt be said of a lot of other poor places around the country.
I have no clue about the culture appropriation thing , so I have never flip flopped on this. The black culture is toxic to blacks, and is a result of much of their misery.
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While I oppose this verdict, the fact is that the black culture is its own worst enemy. It has failed the black community and helped create the problems that best blacks today.
technically you're right. But in the context of this discussion...we know what meant, so my question is still relevant.
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I didnt say anything about just crime related.
What percent of black children are born out of wedlock? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? How is this unique to blacks?
What percent have a father at home? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? How is this unique to blacks?
What percent grow up learning to depend on government programs? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? How is this unique to blacks?
What value does black culture put on education? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? How is this unique to blacks? How exactly do you measure this?
Why is education derided as white mans learning? Why is the most popular form of music one that glorifies violence and misogyny? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? How is this unique to blacks?
How many black youth regard being in trouble with the law as a badge of honor? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? How is this unique to blacks?
Why do blacks accept the notion that the only way they can get ahead is for standards to be lowered for them, such as civil service or other exams? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? How is this unique to blacks? Also,
most standardized test in the U.S. are written to be culturally relevant to white americans. I could go in depth, but i'll try to keep my example short. Let's say you have a question that says "what do a cow and a goat have in common?"...the inner city black kid may say...they are both animals...the white kid with a rural background may say "they both produce milk"...now both answers are correct...but one kid appears smarter than the other because he's been around farms his whole life. I'm sure someone smarter than me can explain it better.
Why does black culture refuse to accept any role or responsibility for changing this, and instead chooses to still blame every ill on racism , even as Asians and Indians with make it big in places like Silicon Valley? what does this have to do with innocent blacks being shot by police? Why should blacks be compared to Asians who've had different experiences in this country? The model minority thing has been discussed to death on these forums
Poverty and crime do not necessarily go hand in hand. Some of the poorest places in America are in the Appalachias, and there is not rampant crime there. The same can no doubt be said of a lot of other poor places around the country.
Actually, expanding on your point, many poor places around the WORLD are fairly calm and violence-free. Poverty does not automatically = violence/crime. You could even argue that it's the opposite; that increased crime/danger causes poverty, as the smart/wealthy/tax-paying people and productive businesses/employers leave the area over time, causing a huge rise in both local poverty and unemployment.
This "crime causing poverty" phenomenon is READILY observable in places where war/conflict breaks out; almost immediately the increased danger/risk causes the businesses and wealthy/tax-paying people to close up shop and leave the area (respectively), and poverty sets in almost overnight for those that remain in the conflict zone. A "micro" version relevant to this discussion would be a really ghetto/violent/crime-ridden part of an American city that gradually becomes a poverty cesspool as all the wealthy people and businesses/employers flee the area.
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Poverty and crime do not necessarily go hand in hand. Some of the poorest places in America are in the Appalachias, and there is not rampant crime there. The same can no doubt be said of a lot of other poor places around the country.
Do you think the Appalachias are policed like black neighborhoods? You police those areas with a fine-tooth comb like black areas, and watch more crimes be reported, more arrests, and more convictions.
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