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Old 06-19-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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Yes, Census data shows all these things.



My link wasn't "Census data", it was a Wikipedia link that showed one Census-derived metric.

Poor is NOT subjective, it's a Census derived cutoff.
Provide the link that says "Rural Americans gave us Trump. They're the poorest, least educated, most drug addicted, least employed, cohort in America."

I know what your link was.
Of course poor is subjective. Your assuming poor means just the amount of ones income.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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Your problem is that you interpret the world in terms of dollars; Without understanding how dollars are manipulated to purchase/control resources.

When I say that the cities would starve without the countryside, it is a fundamentally true statement. New York City cannot feed itself. It can only trade for food produced elsewhere.

The only thing a person needs to live, is food. Thus the countryside can easily become self-sufficient, while the cities cannot. If the apocalypse comes, people aren't going to be running from the countryside into the cities, they'll be running from the cities into the countryside.
Might still be a bit more we need to understand about food supply...

Though true most of the country is dependent on where food can and is grown, I am not sure the argument or point here. Why would anyone today speculate about this sort of alternative modern day realty ala these quasi-post-apocalypse scenarios? Might as well argue what things would be like if we were not now also dependent on energy, modern day modes of transportation, medicines. I don't get it...

Though true about who would eat and who would not if not for where the food were grown. The point?!?

If we didn’t have California, what would we eat?

No other state, or even a combination of states, can match California’s output per acre. Lemon yields in California, for example, are more than 50 percent higher than in Arizona. California spinach yield per acre is 60 percent higher than the national average. Without California, supply of all these products in the United States and abroad would dip, and in the first few years, a few might be nearly impossible to find. Orchard-based products in particular, such as nuts and some fruits, would take many years to spring back.

California grows all of our fruits and vegetables. What would we eat without the state?
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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Trump is overthrowing the govt. He is clearly the traitor. He is aligned with Putin and enemies of America.

Anyone who votes for Trump voted against America. That is clear. There were MANY other Republican candidates, there were many independent candidates, but you chose the one candidate who was buddies with Putin and who invited enemies of America to hack the election.

Through impeachment, the decent Republicans and Democrats will scrub this orange stain from the White House. And we will NEVER forgot who voted for the Putin crony and KKK apologist as opposed to all the other options. Anyone who enabled this monster will have that stain on their record forever.
putin crony?

Russia threatens to treat U.S. coalition aircraft as targets over Syria

some 'crony'.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:55 AM
 
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What is the practical relevance of these vignettes of apocalypse-pornography, where we debate whether the resourceful and resilient countryside will prosper while the hapless cities will suffer?
Right...

Posted my last comment then read yours. I'm not the only one! Thanks...

But I am with no more time to waste here again this morning, so until tomorrow, don't forget to eat your fruits and vegetables!
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:56 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Oh, wow. Higher education is not for everyone. That is a given.

I know this is not what you are stating but you bring up an important point. Education is out of reach for many due to high cost. Do we really want to live in a country where only the wealthy are afforded an education? Right now, many do not have a choice.

Earlier this year, New York state started offering free education for their public universities when income is below a certain threshold. That is a start but not enough. For further reading on this: New York becomes first state to offer free four-year college tuition | PBS NewsHour

I do not know what this 'kool-ade' <sic> is exactly. Colleges are not all for profit. Where are you receiving this information? Sounds like propaganda. There certainly are for profit colleges. The education is poor and degrees from such places will not be taken seriously.

In closing, education is not about funding endowments and brainwashing. I'm sorry to read that this is what education means to you.
LOL

I went to a SUNY school... my professors didn't work for profit

I bought my books off amazon saved between 50 and 100 dollars over the schools book store by copying the ISBN numbers.

Rriiighhtttt...
Their degrees aren't taken seriously LOL humanities maybe explain how myself and many others got into lucrative careers with a state school diploma...

Let's see... one friend studied criminal justice, did clerical work and sat in with his lawfirm at court cases showing he wanted to take it seriously, is now a lawyer specialising in family matters, real Estate matters, and was a public defender prior to that...

Explain 3 of my gal pals that went on making 100k or more getting nursing degrees...
1 who studied massage therapy owns her own spa/parlor.
1 who studied business management and equestrian matters she owns a 240 acre horse ranch...

The ones who went to become teachers and social workers make peanuts.

So much for that...
Better look at what SUNY schools offer. Brockport and Hudson VALLEY come to mind. As does morrisville...
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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LOL

I went to a SUNY school... my professors didn't work for profit

I bought my books off amazon saved between 50 and 100 dollars over the schools book store by copying the ISBN numbers.

Rriiighhtttt...
Their degrees aren't taken seriously LOL humanities maybe explain how myself and many others got into lucrative careers with a state school diploma...

Let's see... one friend studied criminal justice, did clerical work and sat in with his lawfirm at court cases showing he wanted to take it seriously, is now a lawyer specialising in family matters, real Estate matters, and was a public defender prior to that...

Explain 3 of my gal pals that went on making 100k or more getting nursing degrees...
1 who studied massage therapy owns her own spa/parlor.
1 who studied business management and equestrian matters she owns a 240 acre horse ranch...

The ones who went to become teachers and social workers make peanuts.

So much for that...
Better look at what SUNY schools offer. Brockport and Hudson VALLEY come to mind. As does morrisville...
I believe you are mixing me up with the poster I was responding. I think the SUNY schools are great and am delighted that New York now offers free higher education to families making below a certain income. My mother went to SUNY schools for undergrad and her Masters. Anyway, I just want to point out that you are mis-directing your ire at me. I think we are on the same page here.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:05 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Might still be a bit more we need to understand about food supply...

Though true most of the country is dependent on where food can and is grown, I am not sure the argument or point here. Why would anyone today speculate about this sort of alternative modern day realty ala these quasi-post-apocalypse scenarios? Might as well argue what things would be like if we were not now also dependent on energy, modern day modes of transportation, medicines. I don't get it...

Though true about who would eat and who would not if not for where the food were grown. The point?!?

If we didn’t have California, what would we eat?

No other state, or even a combination of states, can match California’s output per acre. Lemon yields in California, for example, are more than 50 percent higher than in Arizona. California spinach yield per acre is 60 percent higher than the national average. Without California, supply of all these products in the United States and abroad would dip, and in the first few years, a few might be nearly impossible to find. Orchard-based products in particular, such as nuts and some fruits, would take many years to spring back.

California grows all of our fruits and vegetables. What would we eat without the state?
Not really... lots of meat and dairy farms throughout upstate NY. Shop rite price chopper etc sourced produce fruit meat from local farms... pork and chicken/eggs included.

The only California fruit and foods to be seen in a NY grocery store were Knotts bland berries which didn't sell nearly as well as our strawberries blue berries but did carry us over through the winter. And those cuties the clementines.

Apples. You want apples. Get you some NY apples. Washington state bland and tacky no flavor.

Wine? NY has alot of vineyards too.

Want hard cider/apple jack? I used to brew it. Get ya drunk as a skunk or power an E85 vehicle.

Hand mellons, you haven't lived til you had one of them. Another NY delicacy. Cityiots flock to Saratoga to have them for breakfast at 10 bucks a rip... I was getting them for 2-3 per piece.

All of Stewart's ice cream and milk, sourced from NY dairy farmers not California.
Even Crowley was buying from local dairy farmers... I know. I used to see their tanker trucks pull into my friends farms...
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:08 PM
 
Location: PSL
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I believe you are mixing me up with the poster I was responding. I think the SUNY schools are great and am delighted that New York now offers free higher education to families making below a certain income. My mother went to SUNY schools for undergrad and her Masters. Anyway, I just want to point out that you are mis-directing your ire at me. I think we are on the same page here.
They're far from not for profit though... very far...

Professors teaching associates degree programs were clearing 6 figures... admins couldn't be more obvious, admin and the dean had jaguars BMWs land rovers and Mercedes parked in their reserved parking spaces... hardly not for profit...
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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They're far from not for profit though... very far...

Professors teaching associates degree programs were clearing 6 figures... admins couldn't be more obvious, admin and the dean had jaguars BMWs land rovers and Mercedes parked in their reserved parking spaces... hardly not for profit...
WOW! I tried. Have a good day!
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:18 PM
 
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I don't see the divide as just rural vs. urban.

Americans don't know that much about other parts of their country.
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