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Old 06-17-2017, 06:38 PM
 
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Trump has done nothing different than the last 5 presidents.
Everything he has done has been to reward the same people behind the scenes

We are still trading with communist and third world countries for cheap labor
Obamacare is still in place
The globalist wars are still in full force
Trump stocked his cabinet with the same minions Obama had

Trump has changed nothing.
Again, what's wrong with using their cheap labor? Do you want to pay $6,000 for your iPhone?
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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You're just not old enough. I wasn't referring to immediately prior to the ACA, I meant back when it really did work. Back then by no means did "most depend on Public Sector to give Free services by HC providers". Also, the cost of insurance/prescriptions wasn't half of your annual income, or even close to it.

Not only did it work, it took us to the point of being at the forefront of medical R&D. The entire world envied the quality of our health care system.

My guess is that any person that has attended the public school system or a university over the last 20 years even knows that.
Way back when medicine had way less to offer, HC insurance was much cheaper. Now we can alleviate much more human suffering and save more lives, and that has to cost.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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Again, what's wrong with using their cheap labor? Do you want to pay $6,000 for your iPhone?
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by J746NEW View Post
Trump has done nothing different than the last 5 presidents.
Everything he has done has been to reward the same people behind the scenes

We are still trading with communist and third world countries for cheap labor
Obamacare is still in place
The globalist wars are still in full force
Trump stocked his cabinet with the same minions Obama had

Trump has changed nothing.
When you choose to keep your politicians, you only have yourself to blame.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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Way back when medicine had way less to offer, HC insurance was much cheaper. Now we can alleviate much more human suffering and save more lives, and that has to cost.
Certainly. But corruption has increased those costs to insane levels. Something is wrong.

But it is only the last couple of generations that believes anything other than socialized health care is "insane logic" and anyone that thinks otherwise "knows nothing".
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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When you choose to keep your politicians, you only have yourself to blame.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:46 PM
 
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No, your Iphone would cost the same but less profits to scoundrels on Wall Street
It has been shown, that many products we buy actually would not cost us much more, but there would be less profits.

Apple's iPhone 7 costs just $220 to make

The Iphone costs around 220 dollars to make, and that is including labor.
The rest is profits

Apple's iPhone 7 costs just $220 to make
Once the $5 "basic manufacturing costs" of assembling and testing are taken into account, the total cost for Apple to produce the 32GB iPhone 7 is $224.90, IHS Markit estimates.


Would you like me to show you some stock history charts for apple with the advent of the iphones?

The scoundrels in the finance sector always want a cut of other peoples money
How did we ever make it in this country with only mom and pop family business that made up the majority markets 50 years ago when America was at its height?


Your mom and pops did not have stocks in the finance sector

Point? iPhones are made in China with their cheap labor.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:47 PM
 
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Top Contributors to Barack Obama, 2008 Cycle | OpenSecrets

Top Contributors to Obama
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295

Top Contributors to Mitt Romney, 2012 Cycle | OpenSecrets
Top Contributors to Romney
Goldman Sachs $1,033,204
Bank of America $1,013,402
Morgan Stanley $911,305
JPMorgan Chase & Co $834,096
Wells Fargo $677,076
Credit Suisse Group $643,120
Citigroup Inc $511,199
Barclays $446,000
Rothman Institute $259,500
You are talking in circles. I already explained to you three times.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:50 PM
 
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Certainly. But corruption has increased those costs to insane levels. Something is wrong.

But it is only the last couple of generations that believes anything other than socialized health care is "insane logic" and anyone that thinks otherwise "knows nothing".
Normally I would be all for a free market approach, but no one sane choses to forgo treatment when their life is on the line.

That is why the prices are so high.
I'll say it again, the first step in fixing this is to throw Pharma and Insurance out of the bargaining table.
They have shown repeatedly that their concern is not this country but their wallet.


They should not be part of the bargaining process, and it gets worse, when they wrote and own it themselves.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:51 PM
 
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You are talking in circles. I already explained to you three times.
And you have also made it clear it is pointless talking to you
I get it, you support Corporate Fascism
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