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Old 06-19-2017, 11:44 AM
 
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One can argue, in fact I will, that liberalism can be like Opiods in that many programs meant to ease the pain of injustice or poverty, etc, not only produces side-effects, but also runs the risk of creating "addicts".

I often hear people bash welfare, liberalism and the like, for people being on such programs for generations. When these programs and policy came into existence, the pain of abject poverty and inequality was persistent and real. Hence, the policies were like a pain drug and like most pain drugs come with side effects and the possibility of addiction.

Currently there is an opiod epidemic. This opiod epidemic grew out of the legitimate and moral need to treat people who were experiencing chronic pain. This created opiod addicts as an indirect consequence of treating pain. Liberalism created "addicts" as an indirect consequence of treating socioeconomic pain. Conservatism, however, is anti-liberalism. Thus, is conservatism anti the treatment of pain? Do conservatives argue that because treatment can potentially have side effects and addiction as a trade off, that people should be left on their own to deal with chronic pain?

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Old 06-19-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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Not all or even most who take pain medication for pain become addicts. People who have addictive personalities and/or a genetic predisposition to addiction become addicts.

Normal people take a pain med only while they need them and then discontinue the drug. Addicts never want to let go or can't let go of the high. Very different.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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Ironic that it's usually conservative area that has opioid addiction problem eh?

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with social programs, we just need to make sure they are not abused. If the right-wing had champion reducing abuse of welfare program instead of just outright gutting/eliminating them, a lot of liberals would be on board with that.

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Old 06-19-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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Not all or even most who take pain medication for pain become addicts. People who have addictive personalities and/or a genetic disposition to addiction become addicts.

Normal people take a pain med only while they need them and then discontinue the drug. Addicts never want to let go or can't let go of the high. Very different.
This.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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Not all or even most who take pain medication for pain become addicts. People who have addictive personalities and/or a genetic disposition to addiction become addicts.

Normal people take a pain med only while they need them and then discontinue the drug. Addicts never want to let go or can't let go of the high. Very different.
What does it matter? If they never had the pain they would have never needed to take the drug and hence would not be addicted to the opiods. Are you arguing that people should not be given pain medication because SOME people might be predisposed to become addicted? Ergo....people in poverty, such as children, should not have their parents be aided because the kids might become conditionally dependent on public assistance.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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What does it matter? If they never had the pain they would have never needed to take the drug and hence would not be addicted to the opiods. Are you arguing that people should not be given pain medication because SOME people might be predisposed to become addicted? Ergo....people in poverty, such as children, should not have their parents be aided because the kids might become conditionally dependent on public assistance.
On the contrary. Pain medication shouldn't be denied to the many who need them in order to protect the few who will become addicted and need to be protected from themselves. In a free society, people have the choice to make very bad decisions.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:16 PM
 
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On the contrary. Pain medication shouldn't be denied to the many who need them in order to protect the few who will become addicted and need to be protected from themselves. In a free society, people have the choice to make very bad decisions.
Are you saying that it is a "bad decision" to be in pain and thus seek medication?
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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Are you saying that it is a "bad decision" to be in pain and thus seek medication?
No. Perhaps you should re-read my post.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:20 PM
 
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We've had 60+ years of LBJ's Great Society programs.

What did it create?

Democrat Plantation cities where there is no opportunity, crime, drug abuse and gun violence that rivals war zones in the Middle East.

This speaks for itself.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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No. Perhaps you should re-read my post.
I reread your post and do not understand the need to inject "bad decision" in the conversation. It seemed rather out of context unless you were arguing that people who seek relief from chronic pain, via medication, are free to make the bad decision. Many decisions actually are GOOD decisions because you don't assume or know of the bad consequences. When or if a person becomes addicted....then hind site becomes 20/20.
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