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Old 06-18-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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What's the price of medicine in small-town Missouri? Whats the price of air fares there? Price of stocks in small-town Missouri? How is the public transit like in small town Missouri? Online purchases in small town Missouri, do they have different internetz there? Dont forget that housing is an investment, not a cost, and is never included in inflation calculations.
So now you are challenging established economic cost of living measures by region.

At what point do you develop a sense of shame?

For people on minimum wage or thereabouts, housing is not an investment you dolt.

Hey, welcome to ignore, I can only take so much dumb in one day.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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PCCAL Mike , " ruling donor class ," Working stiff shills ",Starving masses ".Bernie Sanders much ?
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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So now you are challenging established economic cost of living measures by region.

At what point do you develop a sense of shame?

For people on minimum wage or thereabouts, housing is not an investment you dolt.

Hey, welcome to ignore, I can only take so much dumb in one day.
Yes, "cost of living" is highly deceptive. You get paid less, which means paying less into social security, you dont build home equity, you're just getting by in small town Missouri. There's no public transit either, a huge loss for low wage workers. And you will go bankrupt as soon as you're hit with a disease and when you hit retirement, you're out of luck. Cost of living calculations dont take into account any of this. Neither that more and more purchases are done online, where prices are the same everywhere. Of course housing is an investment and not a cost. Thats why its never included in inflation calculations like goods and services. Multiple people getting together to invest means its an investment. Insults wont get you anywhere. Your solution for the poor is starvation, plain and simple. Probably makes you feel better about yourself.

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Old 06-18-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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Its not a "fast food wage". Minimum wage affects lots of jobs and not simply the despised fast food worker. If you think you can automate care givers for the elderly and disabled, I'll love to see it. But it wont happen. Funny how people are arguing that this is great for technological innovation and productivity growth, yet portraying this as BAD because it will mean less drudgery jobs.
The bulk are fast food and retail (cashiers are number 1-3 million of them). 90% will be gone within a few years. Most aren't qualified for jobs that can't be automated.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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Friends in the business (managing fast food) have told me they are being incentivized and will maintain 2017 labor costs flat in absolute $ in both 2018 and 2019, in NYC. MW goes from $11 to $13 in '18, $15 in '19. So to keep in flat means 18% fewer hours next year, 36% less by '19.

The kiosks on order will assist greatly in that regard.
Yep. Already see automatic drink dispensers to cut down on labor.

My good friend is heavily involved in special needs organizations and we both recognize that the downs syndrome kids bagging groceries etc. will go away with these laws (as an example) unless exceptions or subsidies are made.

I'm still laughing about how the minimum wage folks are really just investing in housing investments. SMH.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:25 PM
 
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The customers pay welfare to support the employees' ability to live. Instead of paying a Medicare-for-all employer payroll tax and $15 minimum wage, the businesses expect the rest of us to pick up the tab to avoid revolts from starving masses.
Why do people think $15 per hour is going to help these people? It's still not a living wage in California, even at 40 hours per week, but they will probably lose any assistance programs they qualified for.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:26 PM
 
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Yep. Already see automatic drink dispensers to cut down on labor.

My good friend is heavily involved in special needs organizations and we both recognize that the downs syndrome kids bagging groceries etc. will go away with these laws (as an example) unless exceptions or subsidies are made.
And so will the jobs for teenagers.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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The bulk are fast food and retail (cashiers are number 1-3 million of them). 90% will be gone within a few years. Most aren't qualified for jobs that can't be automated.
That's pure speculation and technological development is not something you can fight anyway. In countries with far higher labor costs for the people at the bottom, there havent been mass layoffs and high tech stores on every corner like you claim would have happened.

Lovely to see people who have always fought the people at the bottom pretending to care. Its very credible...
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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Why do people think $15 per hour is going to help these people? It's still not a living wage in California, even at 40 hours per week, but they will probably lose any assistance programs they qualified for.
I am against assistance programs for working poor. Workers shouldnt be dependent on tax payers because the employers are not willing to pay their workers a living wage. Of course stronger wage support for the workers at the bottom help. $15 by 2024 which is what is being suggested is the least we should expect. We now have a $7.25 minimum wage. You're fine with that?
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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That's pure speculation and technological development is not something you can fight anyway. ...
Wrong on the MW affect.

I like kiosks, and self checkout. Cashiers don't.
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