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Old 06-18-2017, 06:42 PM
 
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I'd prefer no MW over a federal one. Allow states to enact them s they wish, though.
Which of course means mass poverty and despair for people in lots of states who wont enact any, just as designed. They will then seek to export their poor to other states, exporting poverty. And the GOP are fighting hard to prevent minimum wages at all levels of government. Its a total disaster. The federal minimum wage is so low at the moment that it is becoming increasingly meaningless. Taxpayers pick up the tab. And the ruling donor class laugh in your face.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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Which of course means mass poverty and despair for people in lots of states who wont enact any, just as designed. .

Wrong again 36 in 37 workers make more than the mw.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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Our local, large McD's franchisee is adding tablets for ordering. Bye bye cashiers at counter.

When Casual dining did this, they fired cleaning staff paid full MW, and had waitresses (title on payroll) clean tables with the extra time they saved as folks self ordered food. Went from a combined restaurant cost of $9.42 (1 mw, 1 waitress wage) to 2.17 per hour. Ca-ching.
The problem has been taking orders ,that is where the kiosks(tablets)come in not when paying for the food.Your math is not realistic.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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The problem has been taking orders ,that is where the kiosks(tablets)come in not when paying for the food.Your math is not realistic.
That reduces personnel time required. That cuts headcount. Taking the Order of the food takes a cashier more time than bagging it.

BTW, kiosks can accept payment. They already do overseas.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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Wrong again 36 in 37 workers make more than the mw.
Typical propaganda. 98% might make more than $7.25, but huge numbers make $7.75, $8.50, $11 and so forth. You make it sound like the typical working stiff in America has it good because they are making more than the minimum wage, which is absurd. The minimum wage sets a new wage floor and massively improves the bargaining power of huge numbers of workers. I know it is painful to a lot of people whose happiness relies on having millions of desperate people they can look down upon, but thats a group that will always fight anything that lowers poverty and despair in America. Their own happiness depends on there being plenty of despair and poverty in America after all. I suspect thats the case for most working stiffs fighting minimum wage increases.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:51 PM
 
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That reduces personnel time required. That cuts headcount. Taking the Order of the food takes a cashier more time than bagging it.

BTW, kiosks can accept payment. They already do overseas.
Your assumptions are not realistic in a true fast food environment.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:53 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Please explain how there could be a restaurant where the customers aren't paying the employees wages.

In every business, the employees' pay comes from the money the customers of that business spend.
Obviously. But wait staff are the only employees in which the customers are expected to pay the majority of their income, and considered d-bags if they don't. The restaurant role in paying its own servers' wages isn't even addressed. Isn't it time servers get more than $2.13/hour?
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:55 PM
 
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Typical propaganda. 98% might make more than $7.25, but huge numbers make $7.75, $8.50, $11 and so forth. .
Even those are a minority of US workers, most mw employees live in households with middle class or higher total salaries.
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:55 PM
 
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Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage
The result of one early experiment in a citywide $15 minimum wage is an ominous sign for the state’s poorer inland counties as the statewide wage floor creeps toward the mark.

Consider San Francisco, an early adopter of the $15 wage. It’s now experiencing a restaurant die-off, minting jobless hash-slingers, cashiers, busboys, scullery engineers and line cooks as they get pink-slipped in increasing numbers. And the wage there hasn’t yet hit $15.

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A recent study by Michael Luca at Harvard Business School and Dara Lee Luca at Mathematica Policy Research found that every $1 hike in the minimum wage brings a 14 percent increase in the likelihood of a 3.5-star restaurant on Yelp! closing.

Many on C-D, like myself, have been claiming that job losses will happen with high minimum wages. There is still time to reverse course for those who would rather have people working than forcing business to pay labor more than certain jobs are worth.
I agree. We should decrease the minimum wage to $0.50 an hour in order to create jobs.

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Old 06-18-2017, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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There are so many factors that you need to consider. I've seen only simplistic arguments to this point.
The middle class is shrinking and $15 per hour is of limited relevance. The OP wants to make it the entire reason that restaurants in California are closing.

Median household income is down since 2007.
Take a look at the current account. 500 to 800 billion dollars is leaving the country every year.
Items that would total $100 in 2000, would total $141.28 now.
Compensation is down in real terms since 1950.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Househ...f_GDP_-_v1.png

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