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Old 06-19-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Gerrymandering should be per se illegal.
I agree with you. I don't care whether it benefits Democrats or Republicans, let us do away with it once and for all.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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And unlike CNN, that article clearly states that the Wisconsin situation is different. There are no national ramifications.

Thanks for proving my point.

The OP was simply false controversy generated by CNN.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Sale Creek, TN
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Go look up some of the maps on Wikipedia, disturbing. I don't like how mine is drawn, from Kentucky to Georgia. I have nothing in common with the far reaches of the district. Both sides are guilty of this, don't be so ignorant to say otherwise.
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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I agree with you. I don't care whether it benefits Democrats or Republicans, let us do away with it once and for all.
I wholeheartedly agree. My dream is to have most districts be as close to R+0 or D+0 as possible. There is no reason to have any district be R+10 or D+10 or more anywhere. I think this country would be far less insane and far less partisan if that were the case.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And unlike CNN, that article clearly states that the Wisconsin situation is different. There are no national ramifications.

Thanks for proving my point.

The OP was simply false controversy generated by CNN.


The article states that there may be limits to how much a state can get away with, North Carolina is in avery similar situation as are others. If they agree with the lower court ruling you can expect more states to file lawsuits. Wisconsin is no different than several other states.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I agree with you. I don't care whether it benefits Democrats or Republicans, let us do away with it once and for all.
Voters need to get involved at the state level as was the case in Arizona, don't expect politicians in power to cede control.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Good. It's nothing more than rigging the system to favor the house (pardon the gambling pun).
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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I wholeheartedly agree. My dream is to have most districts be as close to R+0 or D+0 as possible. There is no reason to have any district be R+10 or D+10 or more anywhere. I think this country would be far less insane and far less partisan if that were the case.
Well..just speaking for Idaho..The lines drawn are irrelevant....every district would still be +20 R
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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And unlike CNN, that article clearly states that the Wisconsin situation is different. There are no national ramifications.

Thanks for proving my point.

The OP was simply false controversy generated by CNN.
The 2nd paragraph of the article in the Hill states that it could impact how lines are drawn. Also points to other pending cases. GOP gerrymander in N.C and a Dem gerrymander in Maryland
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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They will probably reverse the lower court ruling, the Gerrymandering in Wisconsin was definitely partisan but not unconstitutional. This is one of those areas where states need to take back their democracy with truly independent redistricting commissions.


Gerrymandering today is far more precise than it was decades ago, the elections are over before they even begin.
I agree. And two signs that this will occur are that (1) the Court took up the case even though there was no circuit split (courts in two different circuits have essentially issued identical rulings on partisan gerrymandering in the last year), and (2) the Court issued a stay of the lower court's decision in this case. While not dispositive, its important to note that one of the criteria of issuing a stay is "likelihood of success on the merits." Not good news for those seeking to undo Republican districts.

Note, my main problem with the challenge to the GOP districts is that organizations only seem to bring such cases when the outcome threatens to hurt the GOP. Illinois Dems gerrymandered the hell out of their congressional maps last go around (it was one of the few places where Dems could do so). No special lawsuits attacking those districts. For the record, I don't have a problem with partisan gerrymandering. Even if I did, I find it hard to see how it would violate the Constitution.
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