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View Poll Results: Would you "turn back the clock" on feminism?
Female - Yes, would turn back the clock on feminism 19 8.64%
Female - No, would not turn back the clock on feminism 89 40.45%
Male - Yes, would turn back the clock on feminism 46 20.91%
Male - No, would not turn back the clock on feminism 66 30.00%
Voters: 220. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-21-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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The one aspect of feminism that bothered me was their position on abortion. I am pro-choice but I have no problem with reasonable restrictions on the age of the fetus, and I think that age should be reviewed as medical advancements are made which enable younger babies to survive outside the womb.

I met Eleanor Smeal and we had many friends in common when she was the head of NOW (my friends were on the board of NOW). Their approach was to always say yes to abortions, no matter the age of the fetus, up to and including the final month. I could not stomach that back then and cannot now.



Do you realize how rare late term abortion is and how not all providers will do one after the second trimester? Do you know why it's almost always performed?
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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A real man thrives on competition, has fears, but he isn’t ruled by them. He learns from his mistakes.
A real man is the Gladiator and appreciates the greatness that is ‘The Gladiator’. He finds someone special, he doesn’t treat her like she’s everyone else. Most of all treats all women with respect when they are respected as a man.
A real man can laugh at himself and weep at sorrow. He has faults and is not perfect.
You can depend on a real man. You can’t depend on a boy.
A real man doesn’t need to be able to fight or to protect himself and his family physically. But it helps.
A real man do whatever it takes to keep his family safe and happy. He lives for something; a purpose beyond his own personal gains.
When real men are tired, discouraged and you think they are about to give up, they achieve great things.
A real man doesn’t stand still while the world passes him by, he continually pushes himself.
A real man leads the way and a listener to find the way.



How did I do?
Sounds like a real woman to me.
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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If men are supposed to behave in a deferential manner towards women in a civilized society, how are women supposed to behave towards men? I'm not sure that whatever it is that young people are lacking in their behavior towards the opposite sex nowadays is a one way street here.
I'm not stating it is a one way street, here.
I've talked to several men, who have said, they were dumbfounded, b/c they held a door open for a woman, and she said to him/them I can get it myself, thank you! Geeze Louise....no wonder their confused.

I tell them, be who you are, and don't worry about those few who rejected your kindness....
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Exactly this. Even many developing nations that do not have the resources our country does make it work. I think it all depends on your values as a society. If you value people more, you find a way to make it work. If you value corporations and profit more, you say it is impossible.
so what are you saying, you want more time off of work for having a baby? If so, how much time do you need off?
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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You forgot a few things.

1. He must be swift as a coursing river
2. He must have all the force of a great typhoon
3. He must have the strength of a raging fire.
4. And he definitely must be as mysterious as the dark side of the mooooooon.
I see you over there, stealing my jokes.

Just like a woman, joining that feminist hive mind and all!
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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so what are you saying, you want more time off of work for having a baby? If so, how much time do you need off?
Yes, I do think that women should be guaranteed enough time off to physically recover from birth. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommends that the US provide 6 weeks paid leave for all new mothers so they can recover, establish breastfeeding and bond with their new babies. I think that would be a good place to start.

For me personally, I was lucky and had an excellent employer who gave me 14 weeks off unpaid with each baby. I was also lucky enough to be in a financial position to be able to make it without my salary for 1/3 of the year each time. Nationally, most women do not have this option. I know teachers who had to go back days after giving birth because they were in districts that did not do contracts longer than a school year, and other women who could not afford to take more than a couple weeks off. That's a travesty.
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Yes, I do think that women should be guaranteed enough time off to physically recover from birth. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommends that the US provide 6 weeks paid leave for all new mothers so they can recover, establish breastfeeding and bond with their new babies. I think that would be a good place to start.

For me personally, I was lucky and had an excellent employer who gave me 14 weeks off unpaid with each baby. I was also lucky enough to be in a financial position to be able to make it without my salary for 1/3 of the year each time. Nationally, most women do not have this option. I know teachers who had to go back days after giving birth because they were in districts that did not do contracts longer than a school year, and other women who could not afford to take more than a couple weeks off. That's a travesty.
I think 6 - 8 weeks is fine....we also have a responsibility to our employers and co-workers....I also think every place of work should offer private pump rooms like our corporation does.

But, to take off more time than that is to me, asking too much of the employer and their co-workers. Someone has to pick up their work....
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Sounds like a real woman to me.
And the reason you are attracted to them.... lonely, without children and PO'd at the patriarchy.
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Every other developed nation in the world has made it work.
we are not every other nation in the world.....

there are not enough jobs to go around now....and 6 - 8 weeks off is plenty for a woman having a baby....keep it up and you'll work us right out of jobs....
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I think 6 - 8 weeks is fine....we also have a responsibility to our employers and co-workers....I also think every place of work should offer private pump rooms like our corporation does.

But, to take off more time than that is to me, asking too much of the employer and their co-workers. Someone has to pick up their work....
With a responsible employer, it really isn't that hard. In my case, a freelancer was hired while I was out. For my Indian colleagues, who get 6 months paid leave, we generally divvy up their work amongst us. It isn't that big of a deal. And what would you do if someone had a catastrophic accident or heart attack? Tell them it isn't fair for them to take off time to recover?

When it comes down to it, though, I'd personally like to see a system where the mother gets that guaranteed time off to heal, but then both parents have the option of taking additional time to care for the infant and bond.

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