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Old 06-21-2017, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by KS_Referee View Post
I don't agree with his message. I simply support his natural right to express his opinion, regardless of what I think of it.
Fair enough.

Trinity College is a private institution. If they fire him, make him president, or leave him alone that's a private matter between employer and employee...

Yes or No
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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LOL. But I'm constantly told that you shouldn't be a "snowflake" and that back in the day you could say what you wanted and soft people didn't get outraged. And that being politically incorrect was better. I'm confused.
I'm not outraged, just tired of the double standard. Play the the same playing field you expect from the other team, or don't bother to play. This combined with the whining, Trump heads, and the like is why people are just sick of the left. They can be offensive but they go on a tangent when the right dares make a racist joke.

Just change the channel and ignore them... that's what works best. They want attention, like any troll.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Oh great another idiot that thinks free speech should mean no consequences for it.

Sorry, but if I work at the DMV I can't stroll into work each day calling my black co-workers N-words and then claim free speech as a defense.

You should be ashamed of yourself for not understanding both free speech and it's limitations.

I am CERTAIN this professor does not make such comments in class (his workplace), and IF he had, someone would have recorded it. Can he NOT make stupid posts on his FB page? His words were NOT illegal, they were merely controversial. How do you not get this?
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:05 PM
 
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Responding is one thing. Demanding one be fired because you "don't like" what they say, depriving them of their job because you "don't like" what they advocate, THAT is NOT supporting free speech. The FACT is you DON"T support free speech. You only support free speech that YOU agree with.
I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel sorry for you. Maybe you should take a good look at your posts because apparently you're the one who can't accept free speech.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Fair enough.

Trinity College is a private institution. If they fire him, make him president, or leave him alone that's a private matter between employer and employee...

Yes or No

No. The ONLY college in the US that receives ZERO $ from the government, federal OR State is Hillsdale College.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I'm they don't want to play by their own rules.
I, too, was simply stunned, phma!


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Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
Oh great another idiot that thinks free speech should mean no consequences for it.

Sorry, but if I work at the DMV I can't stroll into work each day calling my black co-workers N-words and then claim free speech as a defense.

You should be ashamed of yourself for not understanding both free speech and it's limitations.
Mathguy, I think some of this drama queen business is feigned outrage masquerading as *passionate about justice*, to be honest.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel sorry for you. Maybe you should take a good look at your posts because apparently you're the one who can't accept free speech.

When have I tried to prevent you or others from saying what they want? People want, no demand this guy be silenced. They want free speech silenced unless it is speech that they agree with. Had folks come on here and stated they think he is an ignorant man, or that they disagree with him or something of the sort, I wouldn't say anything BUT there have been several posts calling for this man to be fired because they "don't like" what he said. THAT is NOT supporting free speech.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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I've said it before and will say it again... people need to grow thicker skin. This "my feelings" crap is childish and pathetic.

I said my peace here.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:38 PM
 
Location: WY
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I support what this professor wrote. What IGNORANT people, snowflakes as far as I'm concerned, cannot seem to comprehend is the very concept of free speech. Saying or writing words that are politically correct and don't cause unease to anyone is hardly speech that needs to be protected by the first amendment. It is the vile speech, the speech or writings that cause one to have a naturally repulsed reaction, a reaction of, "OMG! What the hell is wrong with that person?" THAT is the very speech that NEEDS protected.

I don't like what the leadership or membership of the KKK says or advocates yet I would defend with my life their right to say and advocate whatever they damn well want. I don't like what the leadership or membership of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka (the Fred Phelps clan) says or advocates yet I would defend with my life their right to say and advocate whatever they damn well want.

Free speech rights are all about protecting the unpopular speech... the "hate speech" if you want to call it that. ANY time someone says something that causes another to become outraged because they "don't like" the message conveyed, THAT is the speech we need to protect the most... because THAT is what is meant by "free speech".


This professor's writings are there for us to consider. They are there to open dialogue and start discussion. They are there to intentionally make some people feel uneasy and others angry because that means those people actually read or heard the words, and that those words caused some kind of a response, which is the intent. Anyone who is so offended can choose to not look at words, especially when they are labeled as racist rants, if they know they are easily offended by racist rants. It's no different than changing the station on your TV or radio if you don't like what is being broadcast, rather than demanding someone be kicked off the air because they said something you "don't like".

Get over yourselves. All of life does NOT center around YOU, what YOU want, what YOU demand and what YOU like or dislike.


This professor's written words did NOT in ANY way encroach upon the natural rights nor the property of any other person yet stupid, if not outright ignorant people demand action be taken against this man because why... because they were offended? REALLY? Get over yourselves!
Sounds great in theory, doesn't it? And if you hadn't written this in the context of conservative speakers being banned from college campuses, riots and destoyers in the streets over conservative speakers, and speakers being required to wear bullet proof vests and be escorted by police out of back doors of buildings for their own safety, I would be on board with you.

If you hadn't written this in the context of college students - STUDENTS - CHILDREN - hysterically shouting, accusing, denigrating and blaming professors who disagree with whatever "day" or "rally" or "movement" or "resistance event" the young beasts insist on holding on campus (instead of getting the education that they're either borrowing big bucks for that will leave them in debt for the next decade or that mommy and daddy are paying for) - and then watching spineless ADMINISTRATORS - ADULTS - buckle to the urchins demands, I would be on board with you.

If you hadn't written this in the context of media pundits wondering aloud whether conservative politicians brought shootings on themselves while the most seriously injured politician was laying in a hospital bed fighting for his life and unable to defend himself, I would be on board with you.

If you hadn't written this in the context of endless accusations by liberals that conservatives are racist, women hating, poor hating, Muslim hating, trans hating, homosexual hating, black and brown people hating deplorables because they happen to disagree with whatever liberals think, I would be on board with you.

You post the self-righteous BS you wrote above and don't - not for ONE MINUTE - realize how hollow your words are in the context of free-speech-hating liberals in 2017 America. To quote your own post: Get over yourselves. All of life does NOT center around YOU, what YOU want, what YOU demand and what YOU like or dislike.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:49 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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He has the right to free speech. That doesn't mean there are no consequences for calling for the death of others. The publuc has the right to free speech also, and can object to him having a job teaching. The college also has the right to fire him.
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