The left being violent propaganda VS actual facts (radical, extremist, deaths)

[greywar]

I'm kind of sick of reading people here saying the left is the violent side. So heres the FACTS, by the numbers.

The Dept of Homeland security tracks victims of extremism. They use a relational database called the United States Extremists Crime Database. (ECDB).

Heres the FACTS. From 1990-2017 Islamist extremists killed 136 people in the US. The Far right? 272. Those numbers exclude both 9/11, and the Oklahoma City bombing.

If you include both, then the far right has more events, but Islamist extremists are far deadlier.

The far right also tends to target Law enforcement more then Islamists do.

By comparison? Even including recent events, the far left commits about...4%.

In other words, you people are taking a lone event, and making it into something its not. Which is comparable to the murders by far right extremists. The left is nowhere near the levels of hatred and murder coming from the right.

Source (From February):
Analysis: Deadly threat from far-right extremists is overshadowed by fear of Islamic terrorism | PBS NewsHour

The reality is the far right are killing far more then the left. The violence is primarily coming from the right.

But here is the thing, while the homeland security database only goes back to 1990, before then in the 1970's the left WAS responsible for more violence. The radicalization and partisanship has shifted the other way, and the far right began murdering more, and recently in vastly higher levels. Those are FACTS.

We have to stop this. And its not by making the other side into the bad guys. Its by pointing to extremists on either side, and saying "thats wrong". The far right do not represent who folks are, any more then the far left do. And by claiming that the far left are the violent ones, by calling them names, etc....when your side is doing the vast majority of the murdering, thats wrong. And that DOES deserve criticism.

You folks on the right have had this problem for a long time. The left? Not as much-but its on the rise. And It too needs to be addressed. But you dont do that by demonizing one side while your side is being worse.

[Sharks With Lasers]

Sir. Stop. Making. Sense.

[phma]

In other words don't believe what you see.
I have some science here which I manipulated and analyzed in a way to reach my preconceived conclusion. laughable

[shadowne]

It means nothing without documenting the events that are counted.

[greywar]

Originally Posted by shadowne

It means nothing without documenting the events that are counted.

Pay attention then. This is from February, and the events are from the homeland security database. It's all documented.

[southbel]

Read your cited source and so no data for far left in it. Where did you get that 4% number?

[shadowne]

Originally Posted by greywar

Pay attention then. This is from February, and the events are from the homeland security database. It's all documented.

I am paying attention, there is no need to be nasty.

Again, are the specific incidents documented? Detail of the incidents compiled to arrive at their conclusion. It isn't rocket science. e.g. FBI's UCR.

[shadowne]

Originally Posted by southbel

Read your cited source and so no data for far left in it. Where did you get that 4% number?

Exactly. If source shows incidents counted towards their conclusion, it is possible to see what was omitted. Legitimate sources show data.

[TreeBeard]

Originally Posted by greywar

Pay attention then. This is from February, and the events are from the homeland security database. It's all documented.

Your post contains too many facts. The right prefers its own alternative facts from InfoWars or World News Daily. Anything to preserve a baseless narrative.

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by TreeBeard

Your post contains too many facts. The right prefers its own alternative facts from InfoWars or World News Daily. Anything to preserve a baseless narrative.

Link contains lots of fact. However none demonstrate the argument of the OP (lots of facts that are unrelated to something don't prove that something). The PBS report is comparing Far Right Extremist homicides with Islamic Militants homicides. This does nothing to confirm or deny the opening argument of

"I'm kind of sick of reading people here saying the left is the violent side. So heres the FACTS, by the numbers"

The report does not even present Far-Left Extremist homicides to compare. Also violence is not limited to homicide, and we do not know what criteria is used to identify Far Right extremism. Without that criteria it's entirely possible that Animal Welfare groups who have caused deaths are included in Far Right Extremism as the authors may just be bucketing all domestic terrorism into Far-Right Extremism. Since it does not present Far-Left homicides we can draw no conclusions about which group is more violent, especially as it only records one form of violence.

I'm not saying the claim is proven wrong, just that the claim is unsupported by the data presented.