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Originally Posted by Ziggy100
Dumbest comment of the year. We're not killing ISIS to get cheaper gas.
When are people going to stop with the oil cliche. Death cults with plans for global terror shall be killed off at the source.
The most dangerous death cult is the one that thinks the US should police the world and doesn't give a rat's ass how many young Americans it kills in that process. What do we do about that death cult?
It's not a failure if you don't buy into the guise of why the US is in the Mid East in the first place. It's a chess game between the oligarchs (and politicians they own) and those who control the source of Mid East oil.
For example, The U.S. has definitely been a catalyst and antagonist in Middle East conflicts since the end of WW2. However, if you want to assign blame to a Western nation, I'd argue that a larger share goes to Great Britain/the UK as well.
The over-simplified view of conflicts in the region: most are based on religion, in two varieties: Islamic nations versus Israel, and inter-sectarian strife among Muslims. Britain had a hand in both, dating back to the early 20th century, when they had control over most of the region, from Egypt, to Palestine, Jordan, and Iraq, and the Arabian Peninsula.
Wars in and around Vietnam have been ongoing since WWII; the last of which was the "Sino-Vietnam" war, when the Chinese (who backed the north during the US phase) invaded Vietnam.
So to simply blame the United States is an easy thing to do because U.S. is a world police. However, when you look at history, it is easy to find that China, Russia, Uk, and many other countries are also the aggressors. It is all about interests and power struggle
Wars are no longer contests with clear winners and losers; rather they have become on-going enterprises in which the most that can be hoped for is some measure of security and control. Yet in this day, people still speak of "winning" the war against radicalized terrorists.
But in the grand scheme of things, "losses" may be taken as lessons, so that we reform our expectations and change the calculus of our actions; sometimes, the experience of loss is more informative than an unbroken record of victories.
Let us hope that we have learned. I don't think we have, so war will be endless. I am not too optimistic about ending the war, no matter who becomes the president.
Last edited by lilyflower3191981; 06-23-2017 at 07:38 AM..
After reading a piece from last year, its glaringly apparent that the situations in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan (not really Middle Eastern, but close enough) are more convoluted than ever, and we'll never get any of it under control. We're wasting time, lives and money. When will it end?
There will be no defeat of ISIS or the Taliban, and no one has a clue as to what victory looks like. It's just War for war's sake. One poster was asserting on another thread that the MOAB strike proved successful! Lol... really? People really believe that it killed a bunch of ISIS members? I don't believe it killed anyone at all. It might've killed some opium plants, but that's about it.
I wish it was simple like just withdrawing from the ME. What if we did ? Then 10 years from now, ISIS or whatever they will call themselves by then have found a way to get a nuclear bomb, or chemical weapons ? And ways to attack us here ? Now we have a huge issue do deal with , much like we are seeing develop in North Korea.
It is a ****ty problem with no clear solutions though. And it seems like every thing we do ends up being the wrong thing , which cost US lives.
I wish it was simple like just withdrawing from the ME. What if we did ? Then 10 years from now, ISIS or whatever they will call themselves by then have found a way to get a nuclear bomb, or chemical weapons ? And ways to attack us here ? Now we have a huge issue do deal with , much like we are seeing develop in North Korea.
It is a ****ty problem with no clear solutions though. And it seems like every thing we do ends up being the wrong thing , which cost US lives.
Yep.
Who is this "we"? I think most Americans are sick and tired of these "wars". But U.S. government, interest group, foreign countries will never be happy to see us withdrawing our troops. I don't believe for one second that America is the only one who did all the wrong here. But it is obvious convenient to blame the U.S. for everything.
Who is this "we"? I think most Americans are sick and tired of these "wars". But U.S. government, interest group, foreign countries will never be happy to see us withdrawing our troops. I don't believe for one second that America is the only one who did all the wrong here. But it is obvious convenient to blame the U.S. for everything.
Like it or not, "we" are a country, individuals may have their own and different opinions. Although , lately it seems like "we" are doing everything we can to divide ourselves from within.
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They complain about America violating their rights.
