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Old 06-23-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Lincoln's history was whitewashed. He was one of the most (if not the most) divisive and unconstitutional presidents this country has known.
Divisiveness was called for, considering there were still a lot of people who believed that enslaving humans was a normal thing to do. There was no way to end it without divisiveness. At the time, the 3/5 clause was part of the constitution, so maybe being a little bit unconstitutional wasn't such a bad thing at the time either.
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Old 06-23-2017, 07:43 AM
 
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the democrats gave us the economic crash

globalist liberal policies going back to the early 90's are what caused the recession

the 'great recession' was due to liberal policies of offshoring jobs and easymoney housing


let this INFORM you, these problems stem from: 1993, 1995, and 1999 and you can thank the liberals for it, and most of it goes back to the clinton era. why because ECONOMICS run in 10(+/-4) year CYCLES and what we are facing NOW is in DIRECT RELATION to what happened back in the 90's

1993 OUTSOURCING through NAFTA(and the other 2 dozen 'freetrade agreements)----------------originally pushed by Brzezinski and his liberal puppet carter,,moved along by Reagan's VP bush1----negotiated by another Brzezinski puppet bush1--- passed in 1993 by the democrat controlled congress, pushed by clinton, signed by clinton-inceased with CAFTA by bush2--the consequence ...... 60+ million HIGH PAYING jobs have been lost, 2 trillion worth of debt from the lost wages.(and Obama ahs increased it too, not only as Senator Obama with OFTA, but also as potus Obama..............hmmm)

1995 clinton (through his chief of HUD (Henry Cisneros and later his second chief andrew coumo)) eased the rules on obtaining mortgages allowing more 'exotic' mortgages and 'no-doc/low doc' mortgages---------------------------the consequence ......housing SKYROCKETED causing low inventories causing a 'not normal' increase in home prices, sellers got greedy, buyers got even greedier (looking to PROFIT in a skyrocketing market by flipping) and bought THINKING that prices would still increase and their ADJUSTABLE mortgage would pay it self off in MINIMUMAL years...EVEN THOUGH THESE INCREASES IN HOME VALUES WERE TOTALLY UNHEARD OF, AND MORTGAGE RATES WERE AT 40 YEAR LOWS( what did they think an adjustable mortgage gotten at 40 year lows would do in the term(3 months-3years) when it adjusted...of course it would go up, their CONTRACT even said after the term it would be 6% PLUS PRIME)))
For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."
The above is the start of the mortgage meltdown: Clinton's National Homeownership Strategy


those are the two biggest causes of the great recession


then add these to the perfect storm:



1996 clinton signed The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it allowed industry consolidation whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 30 in 1993 to 10 in 1996, and reducing the 10 in 1996 to 6 in 2005.) causing MONOPOLIES, which can RAISE PRICES





2000 clinton signs the China trade bill

2000 clinton signs the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

2000/1 clinton pushes to get china into the world bank

2002 bush and medicare part d...., bush giving the liberals more big government

2002-present.... the wars in the middleeast

2003/4/5 republicans try to reign in fanny and freddie...the liberal opposition leaders (barney frank and cris Dodd) say "there is nothing wrong with fanny/Freddie...its a witch hunt"........

2007 liberals raise the min wage...adding to the perfect storm..the final straw of the perfect liberal storm



BTW... I included bush's(who was quite liberal too) screw-ups too...


BTW the 'recession ended in june/july of 09...before ANY of obozo's policies could come into effect....
/thread

Clearly this incoherent ramble is the truth.
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Old 06-23-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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I'm curious what Trump's definition of "poor" is...
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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I'm curious what Trump's definition of "poor" is...
Somewhere around his own supporters and goes from there.

If you want to see some cognitive dissonance, go on Facebook. Thousands of poor people supporting Trump and believing that he's not talking about them.

"And really, I have to admit: everyone here sucks. I can't stand any of you." Crowd cheers. "I mean, what a bunch of simpletons. You know I haven't done anything to help this country, right? I'm about to take away your healthcare and premiums are about to skyrocket?" Crowd cheers louder. Trump pulls a cable and cow poop rains from the rafters all over the crowd. The cheering is deafening.

Trump's fan club in a nutshell.
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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This guy lost every remaining bit of respect I had for him.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...ic-roles%3Famp

Trump:
At the beginning of this whole nightmare back in the primaries I had some hopes for Trump, I had doubts but at least I wanted to understand the support for him. I naively asked the Trump supporters on this forum why they were supporting him. Never got any solid reasons other than "MAGA" sort of thinking, which was the first sign that there wasn't any there there.

Then I started to read about Trump's history and really understand in detail how how got to where he is today, and began to comprehend the man's personality and his "values". That's when I lost all respect for him. It was obvious that he was a con-man. So apart from that first month of data and opinion gathering, I have never wavered in my opinion of Trump. Unfortunately the reality has proven to be far worse than what I expected.
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I'm curious what Trump's definition of "poor" is...
Not sure , but if you HAVE to work for a living though one isn't wealthy . Of course many of the wealthy chose to work .
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: My House
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Well, cabinet members aren't usually in the bread line, but come on... saying this sort of thing?

I'd be embarrassed even more if I'd voted for him thinking he cared about my well being.

He cares about rich people like him.

Having a lot of money is not always a guarantee that a person is going to do a good job. Most of those people inherited that money.
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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I understand, too much common sense can be overwhelming to the Left.
Right, because having finance CEOs from Wall Street deciding what regulations the financial sector should have worked really well...

Seriously, ever since Reagan, the financial industry has been given more and more liberty, and while people praise that as a good thing, it resulted in things like the 2008 economic crisis, which yes, regulation prior to Bill Clinton (yep, Bill), would have prevented.

I'd actually give Trump some credit if he drained the swamp. I still think he's a bloated douche who has no business being president, but if he did that, at the very least, he'd do some good.
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Old 06-23-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Divisiveness was called for, considering there were still a lot of people who believed that enslaving humans was a normal thing to do. There was no way to end it without divisiveness. At the time, the 3/5 clause was part of the constitution, so maybe being a little bit unconstitutional wasn't such a bad thing at the time either.
Lincoln made it clear he was not an abolitionist.
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Old 06-23-2017, 12:33 PM
 
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A lot of poor people budget what little they have better than a wealthy person who throws money away without thinking about it. They just don't ever have access to the resources it takes to invest their way out of poverty. Poor people do not have much power and tend to be at the mercy of their employers' whims.
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